http://www.mlive.com/pistons/index.ssf/2007/10/hayes_feels_mejias_pain.html


Trade talk: The Denver Nuggets have discussed trading J.R. Smith to Detroit for Flip Murray. However, there are a couple of issues that make it unlikely the deal will be completed.

Detroit wants to include Ronald Dupree, which isn't necessarily something the Nuggets want. In addition, there are some concerns on Detroit's part about whether Smith, who has had his share of problems on and off the court, would be a good fit with their current roster.

I'm down. Not sure where his playing time is going to come, though. He can backup the 2 and 3. We have Stuckey backing up the 2 and Hayes at the 3, with Afflalo getting some minutes in certain situations. I suppose if we wanted to keep Stuckey at PG more often Smith would be on the floor playing the 2 with him. He's just another guy with a lot of potential that can't get his head on straight.

This doesn't make any sense to me.

fuck i was expecting Camby, Nene or Camello in there...

Maybe if we drafted bigs instead in the draft, this would have made alot of sense. Maybe rip's on the block?

I don't know. I think it's a good move, Smith still has a lot of potential if he gets his head on straight.

Whatever, he wouldn't get much run here, and it's not happening.

Why the fuck would we want JR Smith? He's not a Piston's guy at all.

This has to be ASB making shit up.

And why would Denver want Flip Murray?

Why would we draft 3 SGs and then trade a backup PG (that can also play SG) with an expiring deal for another SG with more years/$ left on his deal with character and health issues?

I can see it making sense from a Denver perspective, it's a cash/flexibility move. But it makes no sense from a Pistons perspective at all, IMO.

I agree. The money doesn't make any sense for Detroit. We have solid depth in the backcourt now, so why trade an expiring for a longer contract? I don't see this at all. And why would they want Flip when they already have a 100 times better version in AI?

why would they want Flip, who doesn't win games and sucks, when they already have AI, who doesn't suck but also doesn't win games?

fikst

JR Smith's contract is up after this year just like Flip's

ASB isn't making it up.... it's on ESPN Insider too.

JR Smith's contract is up after this year just like Flip's


Thatta boy, Greg.

My bad, Smith does have an expiring deal. When I looked up his contract status, I misread it and mistakenly thought the qualifying offer for 08/09 was an actual salary, but he'll be a restricted FA after this season.

That makes this deal only mostly stupid instead of completely stupid.

ASB isn't making it up.... it's on ESPN Insider too.

What is the source on Insider Grizz? I would it bet that it is ASB's report.

They often will use newspaper reports (like this one from ASB) as their source, escpecially in the "ESPN Insider Local" section.

In many ways, it's not any better/different than Hoopshype.

That much, I don't know. I don't have Insider. I saw the blurb on ESPN and actually came here to see if anyone posted it *cough* somewhere... and then stopped by here first and got sidetracked.

JR Smith is restricted after this year I believe.

On one hand, we'd go from having no weapons off the bench to having too many weapons.

On the other, JR Smith is not the kind of personality I want on this team. I'm comfortable with Afflalo backing up SG.

Whatever, he wouldn't get much run here, and it's not happening.

I know, I was just saying ignoring our current roster, Murray for Smith is a good deal talent wise.

I also agree that this is not happening.

Disagree he wouldn't get run. He'd immediately step in as the backup SG behind rip.

Good as Afflalo is, JR Smith is a little better right now.

HEY DUMARS!!!!!

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Does anyone think having an experienced backup PG not named Hunter is important?

Does anyone think having an experienced backup PG not named Hunter is important?
Doesn't apply to this thread. This should get swatted and/or talked about seperately.

alsoi'mkiddingbecausnobodyiscomfortablewithhuntera stheprimarybackuppgbutithoughtitwasstuckeythatwoul dbebackingchaunceyupnotlindsey

If Joe is as confident as Keith Langlois that Stuckey is a solid PG, then this deal wouldn't be terrible.

That's a big if.

I'm not sure that teaching him how to play point "on the job" is wise.

I hate when people do this, but it would be awesome
to have a complete squad consisting of the following:

Billups/Stuckey/Hunter
Hamilton/Smith/Afflalo
Prince/Hayes/Mejia
Dyess/Maxiell/Amir
Sheed/Nazr/Samb

Guys, this is fucking flip murray. The fact we are getting someone with functional limbs should be a robbery in itself, let alone a guy with a crazy vertical, off the charts athleticism, and a solid 3 point shot.

I hate when people do this, but it would be awesome
to have a complete squad consisting of the following:

Billups/Stuckey/Hunter
Hamilton/Smith/Afflalo
Prince/Hayes/Mejia
Dyess/Maxiell/Amir
Sheed/Nazr/Samb

Then someone usually says, "our bench could make the playoffs".

I actually remember that discussion at RGM back in the Corliss/Barry days.

Guys, this is fucking flip murray. The fact we are getting someone with functional limbs should be a robbery in itself, let alone a guy with a crazy vertical, off the charts athleticism, and a solid 3 point shot.

Actually that's a very good point. You've persuaded me.

i think our bench come make the playoffs then

If Joe is as confident as Keith Langlois that Stuckey is a solid PG, then this deal wouldn't be terrible.

That's a big if.

I'm not sure that teaching him how to play point "on the job" is wise.

Since when is Flip a PG though? Starbury thinks Flip Murray can't run an offense. Flip is nothing but a SG that moonlighted at PG because we had no other option (besides Hunter who provides no offense). Without seeing one game of Stuckey (besides highlights) I have more confidence in him running the point than Flip.

Flip's had the ball in his hands during important games in the NBA.

It's not a matter of skill, IMO, (I'm not doing a Flip vs. Stuckey eval. of talent, here) it's a matter of experience and a matter of putting too much pressure on the kid too soon by asking him to not only learn a new league but a "new" position, too soon.

I don't want to end up seeing Lindsey on the floor (or Tay running the point) during the stretch drive beause we don't have anybody that won't shit their pants when the opponent turns up the heat defensively with ball pressure.

Guys, this is fucking flip murray. The fact we are getting someone with functional limbs should be a robbery in itself, let alone a guy with a crazy vertical, off the charts athleticism, and a solid 3 point shot.

Even with my opinion of JR not as high as yours, I agree. Flip sucks (both of them, but alas the deal is only for one ;) ), and if we can also dump Ronald "I suck but hey at least I'm energetic when I come in, oh too bad I suck so being energetic counts for jack shit, and i suck, but hey at least i'm energetic, but i suck" Dupree... then we get rid of two useless players and get a decent one back. IF Stuckey can play PG, it could be good to have JR backing up Rip.

Does anyone think having an experienced backup PG not named Hunter is important?

http://hoopedia.nba.com/images/e/e3/Tony-Delk-2006071500_53913.jpg

RIP

Quite simply, the ying and the yang.

Stat request: Can anyone find the teams that led the NBA in 3 pt attempts per possession last year? I'd like to see how those teams fared, both record-wise and how far they advanced in the playoffs.

We're going to shoot it from out there a ton again this year, and if they made this trade, I would guess that we'd lead the league in 3pt fga/possession.

JR who?

Flip is lighting it up out there tonight.

Maybe the Pistons will have Langlois float trade rumors about him on game days this year.

Flip is making himself look valuable.

I suppose it's possible that Joe trades him to keep Saunders from playing him ahead of Stuckey.

i say pull the trigger. Flip Murray is only effective on offense, when he's holding the ball and going one on one. sounds ok, but that means he's playing like a superstar while everyone else is watching. he looked great in the Dallas game, but that's because he put his head down and decided each time that he was going to take the shot.

give me the freaky athlete in JR Smith, running lanes and getting easy buckets. a guy like JR Smith seems like he'd compliment Stuckey, while Flip Murray seems like he's taking away from him. anyone else feel that way?

On the theory that I was expecting nothing more than a 2nd round pick for Flip Murray, I'd take JR Smith in a heartbeat, then trade him back to one of Denver's rivals for a 1st round pick ASAP. :)

The High Prince of Journalism, Keith Langlois, reported yesterday that the deal was just a rumor and won't be going down.

hmmm....second thoughts, anyone?


Nuggets' Smith suspended three games to start 2007 season (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3071840)

DENVER -- The Denver Nuggets suspended guard J.R. Smith for the first three games of the regular season "for conduct detrimental to the team," the team said Saturday.

Nuggets player personnel director Mark Warkentien declined to specify Smith's transgression.

"I take full responsibility for my actions that led to this suspension," Smith said in an apology distributed by the team. "I realize that the organization wants to help me become not only a better player but also the best person I can off the court.

"I apologize to my teammates, the coaching staff, my family and Nuggets fans. I promise to learn from this situation and look forward to returning shortly and being the best teammate I possibly can," Smith added.

Smith served a 10-game suspension last year for his role in a fight with the New York Knicks at Madison Square Garden and was injured in a car crash last summer in New Jersey that killed his friend, Andre Bell, 21.

Smith, who drew coach George Karl's ire last year for firing up long jumpshots in the playoffs, will miss Denver's opener Oct. 31 against Seattle along with games at Minnesota on Nov. 2 and at home against New Orleans on Nov. 4.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press

Well karl just hates Jr's guts so whatever.

This might mean JR is really on the block

:mccosky:
No trade coming
As intriguing as it may have sounded, the Pistons are not trading Flip Murray and Ron Dupree to Denver for J.R. Smith. Just talked briefly with Joe Dumars. The Nuggets are trying to move the oft-troubled Smith, and they had mentioned Flip Murray. But the Pistons aren't doing the deal. Smith has well-documented issues both on and off the court (character issues and basketball IQ issues) that far overshadow his occasional offensive productivity. The Pistons don't feel like that have to take that kind of risk right now.

If Stuckey truly is "DWade Jr." then he's probably going to miss substantial amount of time this season with injuries (he's already got an ankle). I just don't see moving Murray as a good choice right now.

Sorry SuperDupe, it's been real.

If Stuckey truly is "DWade Jr." then he's probably going to miss substantial amount of time this season with injuries (he's already got an ankle). I just don't see moving Murray as a good choice right now.


yo

It's the Psychic FRIENDS Network, not the Psychic Tell-Us-Which-Piston-Gets-Fucked-With-Injuries Network.