How many of you have actually played organized football? Little league, high school, college, anything.

as tempted as I am to answer your question, I'd like to know why this really matters.

How many announcers have played the sport they announce? How many sports columnists have?

This matters because we can't cheer for a sport that we haven't played.

Obviously bukdow is allowed to because on top of his two degrees, he was All-State in basketball, baseball and football, and set every school record in his field events. You can currently see bukdow at the local gym shoulder pressing 300 lbs while riding the stationary bike at the highest level. He joined the swimming team but got kicked off due to the fact that he can walk on water, and coaches felt that would be unfair to competition.

OOOOOOOHHHHHHHHNOOOOOOOOOO my life is now in shambles!!! Bukdow has called me out in my tenuous connections with Michigan and now he has ruined me as a football fan alltogether. Fine.....everybody should hear this.....I didn't play the game and therefore I don't know shit about it. I'm glad that you all know now. I can finally stop pretending to know what those guys running around on the court(?) are doing.

My only question is what do I do now? I played some mean soccer as a kid but I didn't go to Real Madrid so how can root for them? Somebody find me a gun!



SWATTHISSHIT

This is too good to swat. I can't wait to hear how good bucky was at all of the sports he plays, while maintaining a 4.0 average.

I agree, this is going to be good.

Nothing special. I started playing little league football when I was 10 and played through high school. However, I was better than average. I played varsity football from 9th grade on then a Class B team, now Division 3, and was a pretty good long jumper, my best jump was 20' 8" and did go to the State meet. Nothing special, but nothing to sneeze at either.

Now, onto the UM fans. You didn`t go to the school, you have never played organized football yet you are UM football fans. I`m sure it means nothing to people like you, but in reality, thats about as spineless and bandwagon as it gets. Truly, you people are THE watermark for clueless hanger-onners.

I played HS tennis and golf, so I suppose that is all I can watch or be a fan of?

Go *insert high school golf team of choice here*!!

The stadiums would be empty and the games would have about as many viewers as the NHL does using your criteria, buk.

But I think you know that, don't you?

random thought...

bukdow = DJBuck?

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oh my god he's right......and I've been thinking about this some more.....I love to golf but Phil Mickelson's not my Dad so there goes that rooting interest. I can never watch the Olympics again, or any Iron-Mans'.....there is just no connection for me anywhere!

I have one question, buk: Why is this directed only at U of M fans? Are State fans exempt? I'm just wondering about your criteria here.

I've played Rep Hockey since i was 7 years old
I played Rep Baseball until I was 18
I played Golf and ran XCountry in High School


GO KZOO
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I played HS tennis and golf, so I suppose that is all I can watch or be a fan of?

Go *insert high school golf team of choice here*!!

The stadiums would be empty and the games would have about as many viewers as the NHL does using your criteria, buk.

But I think you know that, don't you?

Yeah, it's crazy that Bettman put hockey teams in Arizona, Florida (twice), Dallas, LA (tiwce), Atlanta, etc when most of those fans probably have never played hockey. What a moron, he should have consulted Bukdow.

I also played Tennis in high school. So i guess I'm screwed too.

Notice he never answered my question about reporters or columnists.

Also, Bukdow better never comment on how this board is run since he probably never ran a sports message board before.

Also, we can never rank hottest women, or even be a fan of women since we were never women ourselves.

i think you guys are missing his point. hes not saying you cant watch football, its just your not as true a fan as he is, for the simple fact that he has played football.

just like he's smarter than everyone because he has 2 made up degrees, regardless of all the stupid shit hes constantly saying.

So I guess everyone who cheers for MSU actually played the sport? Wow, I have a new found respect for all MSU fans that they only cheer for sports they played.

You can be the greatest athlete, you can be the smartest person in the world, you be the best looking person in the world, but when all you post is hate and stuff with very little substance, well that is not somebody I would want to strive to be no matter how much talent and looks were given to me.

I would rather be a Wal-Mart fan who never played the game (actually I played a little college ball, does that mean I am more of a fan than Budkow?) than to be a self centered person who must hate his life to post such worthles shit day in and day out.

I actually played college basketball and baseball, but it was only for a Division II school so I can't cheer for any program higher than that. Not even Division IAA.

I also only played one year of high school football, which obviously means I cannot possibly understand what is going on in a football game. I just see a bunch of guys in jerseys running around hitting each other. Fortunately for me I learned to count and spell in my teenage years so I can look up at the top of the screen and see the score. If the team named "MICH" has a higher number than the other name on the screen, I can talk shit. If it's lower, I break down and cry. I also usually mute it because when they start combining big words like "Inside Linebacker" and saying terms like "blitz", my mind gets all gooey and I get headaches.

I can't believe that just because I played football (started all 42 games I ever played), made an all-conference team and went to the state tournament in the discus that I am now officially the best Wolverine fan on here. I'm guessing that all of my fellow Wolverines have to bow down to my atheltic excellence. I also have a college degree so I'm just climbing up the rankings.

However, I'm kinda pissed I can't watch any Michigan basketball games anymore and I'm not allowed to follow my Pistons because I didn't grow up in Detroit.

Maybe we could get a thread going where all the Wolverines get together and discuss the sports they are allowed to talk about. I'll fill you guys in on football, Mood can handle basketball, Glenn has Tennis, Wizzle can handle golf. Oh sh!t, I don't know if we have any gymnasts or hockey players on here. We better hurry up and recruit some more Wal-Mart Wolverines.

BTW, I've called the BTN and let them know not to show any football games at Wizzle's house because he didn't play so don't worry buk.

I played hockey as a kid. Never played in HS just rec teams.

Filly unless you can beat DII which is seems a couple of us have played football at....you are not the head football man..:)

im surprised that tenuous at best hasnt been used in every post, let alone in any post.

is there no cogency in this world anymore?!?!

I actually played college basketball and baseball, but it was only for a Division II school so I can't cheer for any program higher than that. Not even Division IAA.

I also only played one year of high school football, which obviously means I cannot possibly understand what is going on in a football game. I just see a bunch of guys in jerseys running around hitting each other. Fortunately for me I learned to count and spell in my teenage years so I can look up at the top of the screen and see the score. If the team named "MICH" has a higher number than the other name on the screen, I can talk shit. If it's lower, I break down and cry. I also usually mute it because when they start combining big words like "Inside Linebacker" and saying terms like "blitz", my mind gets all gooey and I get headaches.

Great stuff. Luckily we can't see your head spinning on here. We all posted with the assumption of being true fans until Bukdow called us out and ruined our cover.

BTW, I've called the BTN and let them know not to show any football games at Wizzle's house because he didn't play so don't worry buk.

Thanks man, I don't want no more of that Foozball at my house anyways

Wizzle can handle golf

Sorry filly, that's my area of expertise

actually, we all should have seen this coming a mile away.

every knows how insecure buckdown is. its not enough that he roots for msu, he actually went there (WOW!). dont base your opinion of his intelligence on his actual words, base it on his two made up degrees from msu (double WOW!!). so the fact that he doesnt want his understanding of football based on his observations, but on the fact that he's played organized football (wow! wow! WOW!!) fits right in line w/ his mamoth inferiority complex.

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Thanks to Bukdow, I think like %5 of our posts on here this week have to do with actual sports news.

I better not find any of you posers in the drugs thread.

The fact of the matter is, if MSU was the dominant program the last 20 years, you UM douchebags would be MSU fans. Its not about being a loyal fan to a university, its about you pussies wanting to feel like a winner. On top of having no allegiance to UM, but only winning, many of you have never even played football. So, you don`t appreciate what it takes to win on the football field, you just want to win. Thus, you are UM fans.

Truly, you people are about as gutless and bandwagon as any Yankee, Laker or Patriot fan who lives in Peoria, you just want to back a winner. And due to the fact you have no connection to the school and little to no understanding of the game, you suck even worse.

The fact of the matter is, if MSU was the dominant program the last 20 years, you UM douchebags would be MSU fans. Its not about being a loyal fan to a university, its about you pussies wanting to feel like a winner. On top of having no allegiance to UM, but only winning, many of you have never even played football. So, you don`t appreciate what it takes to win on the football field, you just want to win. Thus, you are UM fans.

Truly, you people are about as gutless and bandwagon as any Yankee, Laker or Patriot fan who lives in Peoria, you just want to back a winner. And due to the fact you have no connection to the school and little to no understanding of the game, you suck even worse.


I'm a State fan and didn't go there. Am I a Clippers fan?

You are a fucking douche, who is widely agreed upon of being a doofus. Your logic is SO flawed in every degree, and you just keep bringing up this idiotic argument. Don't you find it strange that not one of your sparty breathren have backed you up during your whole Wal-Mart Wolverine musings? I, like 95 percent of UM fans, am a Michigan fan because A, I live in Michigan, B, My Dad liked Michigan. It is a simple as that. The argument about Yankee/Pats/Lakers fan is so completely off based and could only be applied if we had a thread dedicated to USC, full of Michigan people. Just let it go.

I'm a State fan and didn't go there. Am I a Clippers fan?
By being an MSU fan, even though you didn`t go there, you aren`t just blindly backing the winner. You understand, and expect, ups and downs. The UM "fans" demand winning and will accept nothing less than NCs. Why? Because the only reason they back UM is because they generally win.

You are a fucking douche, who is widely agreed upon of being a doofus. Your logic is SO flawed in every degree, and you just keep bringing up this idiotic argument. Don't you find it strange that not one of your sparty breathren have backed you up during your whole Wal-Mart Wolverine musings? I, like 95 percent of UM fans, am a Michigan fan because A, I live in Michigan, B, My Dad liked Michigan. It is a simple as that. The argument about Yankee/Pats/Lakers fan is so completely off based and could only be applied if we had a thread dedicated to USC, full of Michigan people. Just let it go.
Why was your dad a UM fan? I`ll wager because UM was the dominant program. Your problem is you are a second generation bootlick.

Can a mod put a dildo as his avatar please?

I was a Red Wing fan when it wasnt popular to be a RW fan back in the late 70s/early 80s; still am. I was a Piston fan for as long as a RW fan; still am. I was a Lions fan since before Billy Sims; still am. I am a UM fan and it is not my fault they have never truly sucked like MSU has since I have been cheering for them in football. I loved UM B-Ball since the the Roy Tarpley years and still am a fan even though they suck now.

I stick with teams through thick and thin, not all my teams have always been great but I have always been grateful for them. Even though I think it is time for Coach Carr to go and a few more losses would probably seal the deal, I canot stomach to root against them, because the SCHOOL not the coach is who I root for.

So take your self righteous and stick up your ass, next 2 your 2 worthless degrees and your shitty attitude. Just because someone has 2 degrees in anything doesn't mean they are not mentally fucking challenged.

Do you really expect me to believe you expect up and downs in the MSU BBall program. Even for a "down" year you made the dance.

If you reply that you except up and downs with your Bball program I will really know you are the stupidest mother fucker that ever lived and really should be put down and not allowed to have kids to spread your stupidity.

By being an MSU fan, even though you didn`t go there, you aren`t just blindly backing the winner. You understand, and expect, ups and downs. The UM "fans" demand winning and will accept nothing less than NCs. Why? Because the only reason they back UM is because they generally win.


Well yeah, that's faggotry if true and I bash them for it. They abuse Carr for being better than Bo.

Wow, this guy should just quit while he's behind.

It's funny, I know what every bukdow post says without even having to read it.

I was just perusing old threads, and this has been his ammo in every thread for 3 months. Talk about needing some new material.

The UM "fans" demand winning and will accept nothing less than NCs. Why? Because the only reason they back UM is because they generally win.


Well since our connections are all tenuous, at best...why else would we root for them? We never attended the university.

The fact of the matter is, if MSU was the dominant program the last 20 years, you UM douchebags would be MSU fans. Its not about being a loyal fan to a university, its about you pussies wanting to feel like a winner. On top of having no allegiance to UM, but only winning, many of you have never even played football. So, you don`t appreciate what it takes to win on the football field, you just want to win. Thus, you are UM fans.

Truly, you people are about as gutless and bandwagon as any Yankee, Laker or Patriot fan who lives in Peoria, you just want to back a winner. And due to the fact you have no connection to the school and little to no understanding of the game, you suck even worse.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. If bukdow had balls, she'd be a man.
I'm glad bukdow admits UM is a winner. Hell, the only thing Sparty had was a nice run from 1947-1966. And they only had THREE losing seasons during that monumental statement of greatness.

I wonder if bukdow saw the Detroit Free Press today: UM graduates 73% of its football players, MSU comes in with a 43% football grad rate.

Harvard of the West strikes again!

bukdow, Boib Griese just called to say he shits bigger than MSU football.

Woulda, coulda, shoulda. If bukdow had balls, she'd be a man.
I'm glad bukdow admits UM is a winner. Hell, the only thing Sparty had was a nice run from 1947-1966. And they only had THREE losing seasons during that monumental statement of greatness.

I wonder if bukdow saw the Detroit Free Press today: UM graduates 73% of its football players, MSU comes in with a 43% football grad rate.

Harvard of the West strikes again!

bukdow, Boib Griese just called to say he shits bigger than MSU football.

um doesnt graduate enough students... no wait! UM graduates too many students... no wait!! how many students does UM graduate compared to state? cuz it should be more in line with state, because i like state.

The fact of the matter is, if MSU was the dominant program the last 20 years, you UM douchebags would be MSU fans. Its not about being a loyal fan to a university, its about you pussies wanting to feel like a winner. On top of having no allegiance to UM, but only winning, many of you have never even played football. So, you don`t appreciate what it takes to win on the football field, you just want to win. Thus, you are UM fans.

Truly, you people are about as gutless and bandwagon as any Yankee, Laker or Patriot fan who lives in Peoria, you just want to back a winner. And due to the fact you have no connection to the school and little to no understanding of the game, you suck even worse.

I don't get why, but I still get slightly surprised when I read the stupidity that you post. I never thought anyone could be that moronic. So what about MSU basketball fans? Are they in the same boat? MSU has been the dominant basketball program for over a decade now. All MSU basketball fans are lemmings!

How about all the U of M fans on this board that are also Lions fans? I see almost all of these guys over at the NFL board talking about the Lions. Are they backing a winner there? The Lions haven't won a championship since before anyone on this board were born. Does that mean there are no Lions fans on this website? I've been a diehard Lions fan since I was 5. But I guess I'm blindly backing a winner there.

How about U of M basketball fans? Do all U of M football fans just root for State in the Winter?

How about Tigers fans? The last time the Tigers won a World Series I was 2. But I love baseball and the Tigers have been my team from the beginning. You better believe I had a great time last year.

You're right, however. There are fairweather fans. There are fans that just want to watch a winner and cheer because it's the popular thing to do. They're called girls. They're also the guys that make up statistics and make up names of ex-players and make up things that they remember happeing when the team was bad - they're easy to spot. But just because people cheer for a team that you don't like doesn't mean that they're the majority.

You've gotten to the point where no one on this board takes you seriously. Your Spartan brethren ignore you, and you provide comic material for the U of M fans. For being as smart as you claim you are, you come off as a moron. You're like the guy that walks around the bar claiming his dick is 12 inches. No one will ever believe him because you don't brag about it if you don't have it. Just like very few people here actually believe you have 2 degrees, you're a star athlete, and know more about football. Do you believe you're the only person here that has two degrees? I can tell you for sure that you're not, but you're the only one to brag about it.

I don't get why, but I still get slightly surprised when I read the stupidity that you post. I never thought anyone could be that moronic. So what about MSU basketball fans? Are they in the same boat? MSU has been the dominant basketball program for over a decade now. All MSU basketball fans are lemmings!

How about all the U of M fans on this board that are also Lions fans? I see almost all of these guys over at the NFL board talking about the Lions. Are they backing a winner there? The Lions haven't won a championship since before anyone on this board were born. Does that mean there are no Lions fans on this website? I've been a diehard Lions fan since I was 5. But I guess I'm blindly backing a winner there.

How about U of M basketball fans? Do all U of M football fans just root for State in the Winter?

How about Tigers fans? The last time the Tigers won a World Series I was 2. But I love baseball and the Tigers have been my team from the beginning. You better believe I had a great time last year.

You're right, however. There are fairweather fans. There are fans that just want to watch a winner and cheer because it's the popular thing to do. They're called girls. They're also the guys that make up statistics and make up names of ex-players and make up things that they remember happeing when the team was bad - they're easy to spot. But just because people cheer for a team that you don't like doesn't mean that they're the majority.

You've gotten to the point where no one on this board takes you seriously. Your Spartan brethren ignore you, and you provide comic material for the U of M fans. For being as smart as you claim you are, you come off as a moron. You're like the guy that walks around the bar claiming his dick is 12 inches. No one will ever believe him because you don't brag about it if you don't have it. Just like very few people here actually believe you have 2 degrees, you're a star athlete, and know more about football. Do you believe you're the only person here that has two degrees? I can tell you for sure that you're not, but you're the only one to brag about it.

With the professional teams you have no choice. There are only the Detroit teams. If there were Grand Rapids professional teams that won more, the UM fans would back the Grand Rapids teams. Guaranteed.

As far as UM basketball goes, the Fab Five still lives in the memory of the UM fan. Not the real Fab Five that was a fraudulent bunch of asswipes, but the black-socked Fab Five that warms the cockles of the UM bootlick`s heart.

On the flip-side, I know many "die hard" UM fans that disassociate themselves from the school during basketball season, but come scurrying out like rats when football season comes around.

yea, but how well could you really know them just from shining their shoes?

If there are asswipes as fans, you stand out for me and you are from MSU.

Okay, the whole did you play football thing is garbage. I know many people that played football and have the football knowledge of a peanut. You ask them where the weak spots are on a Cover 2 and they look at you like you are speaking a foreign language. I also have many friends that didn't play (played other sports) and are crazy intelligent football fans.

just a complete stupid argument

Okay, the whole did you play football thing is garbage. I know many people that played football and have the football knowledge of a peanut. You ask them where the weak spots are on a Cover 2 and they look at you like you are speaking a foreign language. I also have many friends that didn't play (played other sports) and are crazy intelligent football fans.
I never said it was necessary. However, football is different than baseball, golf, tennis, track and field, basketball, etc. In football you have to physically dominate the opposing player. It is very much like being in a fist fight. As Dantonio said, "a controlled rage." Now, if you have never been in that situation/environment, you don`t understand it. You may have the Xs and Os down pat, but you don`t understand what needs to be done to execute them.

I just found it funny that in addition to not going to the school, many UM fans on this board never played football either.

What a joke.

Ugh...I can't stomach another response...I NEED A BREAK, IM OUT

With the professional teams you have no choice. There are only the Detroit teams. If there were Grand Rapids professional teams that won more, the UM fans would back the Grand Rapids teams. Guaranteed.

As far as UM basketball goes, the Fab Five still lives in the memory of the UM fan. Not the real Fab Five that was a fraudulent bunch of asswipes, but the black-socked Fab Five that warms the cockles of the UM bootlick`s heart.

On the flip-side, I know many "die hard" UM fans that disassociate themselves from the school during basketball season, but come scurrying out like rats when football season comes around.

Wow, you are amazing. I started rooting for MSU basketball when they sucked. I could have rooted for the fab 5 like the majority did. I did not. I still support them now. But I suppose you'll make the excuse that the only reason I rooted for MSU was because the success of Magic there.

I guess in Bukdow's eyes the only true fans are fans that support a team that has NEVER won anything, since any other fan is simply jumping on a bandwagon, no matter how long ago they won.

I never said it was necessary. However, football is different than baseball, golf, tennis, track and field, basketball, etc. In football you have to physically dominate the opposing player. It is very much like being in a fist fight. As Dantonio said, "a controlled rage." Now, if you have never been in that situation/environment, you don`t understand it. You may have the Xs and Os down pat, but you don`t understand what needs to be done to execute them.

I just found it funny that in addition to not going to the school, many UM fans on this board never played football either.

And what is the % of MSU fans on here that never played either? Probably the same. But I'm sure that doesn't matter to you at all.

I hope you never vote, because since you've never been the president you don't know what it takes to do that job at all.

I guess in Bukdow's eyes the only true fans are fans that support a team that has NEVER won anything, since any other fan is simply jumping on a bandwagon, no matter how long ago they won.

That cracked me up too. It's a sin to pull for a school that you didn't attend unless they suck, then it's okay.

That cracked me up too. It's a sin to pull for a school that you didn't attend unless they suck, then it's okay.
Not at all. But, when you back a school just because they win, well, there isn`t much substance there.

Wow, you are amazing. I started rooting for MSU basketball when they sucked. I could have rooted for the fab 5 like the majority did. I did not. I still support them now. But I suppose you'll make the excuse that the only reason I rooted for MSU was because the success of Magic there.

I guess in Bukdow's eyes the only true fans are fans that support a team that has NEVER won anything, since any other fan is simply jumping on a bandwagon, no matter how long ago they won.
Good for you, Chris. The fact you weren`t sucked in by the Felon-Five speaks well of you.

when you back a school just because they win, well, there isn`t much substance there.

I agree %100. The problem is that you think every Michigan fan did that.

When I started watching Michigan football (I was maybe 5?) I didn't like them any less when they lost. They were from Michigan, they were on TV (accessible) and they were fun to watch.

Things like the history, the fight song, the helmets, good players to follow, etc. starting being more important around age 8 or so, but underscoring it all was the feeling that they were "Michigan's team".

Fuck it, I'm not sure why I'm even taking this seriously. That's a mistake.

When I started watching Michigan football (I was maybe 5?) I didn't like them any less when they lost. They were from Michigan, they were on TV (accessible) and they were fun to watch.

Things like the history, the fight song, the helmets, good players to follow, etc. starting being more important around age 8 or so, but underscoring it all was the feeling that they were "Michigan's team".

Fuck it, I'm not sure why I'm even taking this seriously. That's a mistake.
Actually, I think you just proved my point. As you say, "...they were on TV (accessible) and they were fun to watch. Things like the history, the fight song, the helmets, good players to follow, etc." Many of these things are predicated on them being the dominant program in the state. If MSU was the dominant program in the state (i.e. on TV, history, good players to follow) you would have been an MSU fan.

The main reason many non-alumni UM fans are UM fans is because they win. Period. It is merely a matter of wanting to back a winner.

Actually, I think you just proved my point. As you say, "...they were on TV (accessible) and they were fun to watch. Things like the history, the fight song, the helmets, good players to follow, etc." Many of these things are predicated on them being the dominant program in the state. If MSU was the dominant program in the state (i.e. on TV, history, good players to follow) you would have been an MSU fan.

The main reason many non-alumni UM fans are UM fans is because they win. Period. It is merely a matter of wanting to back a winner.

Once again, bukdow makes a circular argument that he has formulated the end of long before he proposed it. It comes back to "UM fans suck because they don't agree with me, and I have mountains of justification to cover up my insecurity".
He's been doing this for years on the News board, under many multiple handles, and he sucks the UM fans in every time.
bukdow has PNAGE over UM fans on this board. He poses an infantile question and gets seven pages out of it.
Well done bukdow! You accomplish your mission every time!

They drew my attention when I was a kid (that part was conveniently left out of your reply, buk) because I could actually witness them play (a novel idea) and they were from Michigan.

I've stayed loyal with my fandom even though I went on to attend and graduate from a rival Big Ten school (MSU).

So I'm a hick WalMart bootlick because of that, I suppose.

If you can't be a fan of a team because you grew up able to actually watch their games and form an opinion (accessible), they are fun to watch (enjoyment), have a tremendous history (respect/admiration), and you stay true even when other "easier" alternatives are presented, then that's crazy.

The opposite of that is being a fan of a team that you didn't grow up caring about (actually hating in my case), don't like anything about them from a sports perspective, just because you chose to pay the institution for an education. (BUYING YOUR FANDOM)

This is just my opinion, but I think just supporting a team because only because you went to class there is more lemming-like than actually making your decisions based on other factors. Doesn't mean supporting your school is wrong, but liking their sports teams just for that reason alone is silly, IMO.

Once again, bukdow makes a circular argument that he has formulated the end of long before he proposed it. It comes back to "UM fans suck because they don't agree with me, and I have mountains of justification to cover up my insecurity".
He's been doing this for years on the News board, under many multiple handles, and he sucks the UM fans in every time.
bukdow has PNAGE over UM fans on this board. He poses an infantile question and gets seven pages out of it.
Well done bukdow! You accomplish your mission every time!
It is not a case of "UM fans suck because they don't agree with me..". Its a matter of those who claim to be "fans" of a certain winning team are really only "fans" of winning and that is the main reason they back the team.

Face it, the majority of the non-alumni UM fans are only fans of UM because they want to back a winner. The reason it makes you upset is because you know it is a very shallow, insubstantial reason to back a team. I`d feel like a heel too.

lol at the fact that you snipped my quote so it didn't reference that I was talking about what drew me to the team/school when I was a freaking child!

They drew my attention when I was a kid because I could actually witness them play (a novel idea) and they were from Michigan.

I've stayed loyal with my fandom even though I went on to attend and graduate from a rival Big Ten school (MSU).

So I'm a hick WalMart bootlick because of that, I suppose.

If you can't be a fan of a team because you grew up able to actually watch their games and form an opinion (accessible), they are fun to watch (enjoyment), have a tremendous history (respect/admiration), and you stay true even when other "easier" alternatives are presented, then that's crazy.

The opposite of that is being a fan of a team that you didn't grow up caring about (actually hating in my case), don't like anything about them from a sports perspective, just because you chose to pay the institution for an education. (BUYING YOUR FANDOM)

This is just my opinion and it's most likely in the minority, but I think just supporting a team because only because you went to class there is more lemming-like than actually making your decisions based on other factors. Doesn't mean supporting your school is wrong, but liking their sports teams just for that reason alone is silly, IMO.
You go on to prove my point even more. Your desire to back a winner even trumped your "loyalties" to your own school. Did you also root for a more successful neighboring school when you were in high school?

It is not a case of "UM fans suck because they don't agree with me..". Its a matter of those who claim to be "fans" of a certain winning team are really only "fans" of winning and that is the main reason they back the team.

Face it, the majority of the non-alumni UM fans are only fans of UM because they want to back a winner. The reason it makes you upset is because you know it is a very shallow, insubstantial reason to back a team. I`d feel like a heel too.

You ARE a heel, because you are a phony. I'd bet that you are actually a UM grad who gets his jollies coming on various boards to toss shit. Immature, infantile, and wholly aware of the response you'll generate.

But you are our lovable heel, and we don't want you to change. See ya at the Eastern Michigan game, buddy!

Face it, the majority of the non-alumni UM fans are only fans of UM because they want to back a winner. The reason it makes you upset is because you know it is a very shallow, insubstantial reason to back a team. I`d feel like a heel too.

You bought your fandom.

How shallow is that?

Actually, I think you just proved my point. As you say, "...they were on TV (accessible) and they were fun to watch. Things like the history, the fight song, the helmets, good players to follow, etc." Many of these things are predicated on them being the dominant program in the state. If MSU was the dominant program in the state (i.e. on TV, history, good players to follow) you would have been an MSU fan.

The main reason many non-alumni UM fans are UM fans is because they win. Period. It is merely a matter of wanting to back a winner.

so what you are saying is that a 5 year old should break down the schemes and style of play of football teams so they can decide who to root for and make an imformed decision? Come on. most kids that age simply root for a team because their parents went there, their best friend likes them, whatever. As you get older, I would expect teens to be able to recognize what the program stands for and possibly re-evaluate their rooting interests.

Accodring to you though, if you didn't play football then you won't make an educated choice anyway.

No Chris, you should know at age 5 which university you are going to attend.

Until you decide, NO SPORTS FOR YOU!!!

So I'm guessing that since I didn't know where I was going to go growing up, ended up attending CMU because of my degree program, and rooting for them...that I am not a true fan. I should have chosen my school and worn a CMU diaper from the get go.

Face it, the majority of the non-alumni UM fans are only fans of UM because they want to back a winner. The reason it makes you upset is because you know it is a very shallow, insubstantial reason to back a team. I`d feel like a heel too.

Ok, you said majority...now we're finally beginning to take baby steps.

and BTW, I'm not into college basketball period (not because Michigan suck, but because it bores me)...so I guess you're right about the whole dissassociating from UM during basketball season, well at least on my part it's true anyway.

So I'm guessing that since I didn't know where I was going to go growing up, ended up attending CMU because of my degree program, and rooting for them...that I am not a true fan. I should have chosen my school and worn a CMU diaper from the get go.

Sorry to correct you again, Chris.

But you are allowed to support CMU since you paid them.

It's your entire life up until that first tuition check was cashed that is a complete sham.

I don't want to hear about 20+ years of time invested following another team, that's for nancy boys.

Another note is just a reminder that since you didn't actually play the game, don't get ahead of yourself, your connection to CMU is still tenuous, but it's the strongest that you've got.

I think I need a break. Michigan fans have been NOTHING but classy after the Wisconsin game and this is the thanks we get?

I am officially on hiatus.

Im back from break to say, I need another break

I am officially on hiatus.

Let us know what you had for lunch when you get back.

Sorry to correct you again, Chris.

But you are allowed to support CMU since you paid them.

It's your entire life up until that first tuition check was cashed that is a complete sham.

I don't want to hear about 20+ years of time invested following another team, that's for nancy boys.

Another note is just a reminder that since you didn't actually play the game, don't get ahead of yourself, your connection to CMU is still tenuous, but it's the strongest that you've got.

I wonder if my connection is improved because I played intermural football there though. Also, does my connection improve if the greatest CMU player went to my highschool? There are so many rules, I have to be sure.

Wow

Something I don't get...

With two degrees from MSU, you would think that bucky would be able to find the terrordome to continue his magnificent argument. Unfortunately, he is only able to click on the thread that says "NCAA." I think he has yet to make a post outside of the NCAA forum.

I'm pretty sure they can train monkeys to do that.

I was wondering that myself. Pretty much every other post outside of the NCAA forum has a reference to bukdow in some way.

I was wondering that myself. Pretty much every other post outside of the NCAA forum has a reference to bukdow in some way.
Thats because I am whipping the UM (I want to be a winner)`s asses. I have hit you twits square on the nose and you know I am right about your alleged allegiance.

Frankly, it is something you have to think about, 'Do I want to be that type of person?' Do you? Do you want to be a bandwagon "W" follower?

Seriously...give him a huge dildo.

Y'know, some of us have REAL jobs which require a reasonable amount of time away from the flat dildo better known as a computer keyboard fondling it like a rat humping a lump of Gouda, slinging mass shit on some fucking forum about whether or not one has ever "played" football, and whether or not the actual physical reality of having ever played football being a requisite for argumentation ABOUT football.

Bukdow... and I couldn't be more sincere even if I tried.... fuck off!! You're a has-been reject from RealGM, or WeRollHard, or PedophileAnonymous, or whatever slime-coated, shit-smelling rock you rolled your fat ass from under, and into our waiting arms to blast your fucked up, neo-elitist bullshit upon our deserving ears.

Next time you go to the movies, and you silently rip some director for his choice of film-making technique (as I'm sure most of us have), please note how the director broke the 180 degree rule five times, committed three jump cuts, and pulled the right-to-left mindtrick at the wrong moment. And make sure to note where he placed the excessive dutch angle when one was not needed.

But, you are not a director, so you would not know.

How about sipping your hot cocoa at your fat pig...er, mothers house, and watching some new rod from Detroit roll by. You exclaim its ugly design to your mother, better known as Trixie in the Red Light District, and declare that YOU would never design something so hideous. Of course, you haven't a clue as to WHY the car was penned that way. Engine fit, use of existing stock parts (windows, doors, seats, etc.), aerodynamics, wind noise, simplicity of construction, and a dozen more considerations go into each automobile design. You just think its ugly. Others might think of it as "utilitarian".

But, you are not an automobile designer, so you wouldn't know.

You watch some hot soft-core porn vid. You laugh as the male "actor", better known as your moms last boyfriend, pulls out his junk and plunges it into the valley of some dumbshitblonde whore who fakes her unbridled excitement about as well as Steven Segal faking he's Italian in "Out For Justice". You point at the screen and yelp "He's an idiot. He has NO IDEA what he's doing".

But, you have never had sex, so you wouldn't know.

Thats because I am whipping the UM (I want to be a winner)`s asses.

Hey, if you want to be a winner why not just jump on board then? After all, that's why I became a fan.

Y'know, some of us have REAL jobs which require a reasonable amount of time away from the flat dildo better known as a computer keyboard fondling it like a rat humping a lump of Gouda, slinging mass shit on some fucking forum about whether or not one has ever "played" football, and whether or not the actual physical reality of having ever played football being a requisite for argumentation ABOUT football.

Bukdow... and I couldn't be more sincere even if I tried.... fuck off!! You're a has-been reject from RealGM, or WeRollHard, or PedophileAnonymous, or whatever slime-coated, shit-smelling rock you rolled your fat ass from under, and into our waiting arms to blast your fucked up, neo-elitist bullshit upon our deserving ears.

Next time you go to the movies, and you silently rip some director for his choice of film-making technique (as I'm sure most of us have), please note how the director broke the 180 degree rule five times, committed three jump cuts, and pulled the right-to-left mindtrick at the wrong moment. And make sure to note where he placed the excessive dutch angle when one was not needed.

But, you are not a director, so you would not know.

How about sipping your hot cocoa at your fat pig...er, mothers house, and watching some new rod from Detroit roll by. You exclaim its ugly design to your mother, better known as Trixie in the Red Light District, and declare that YOU would never design something so hideous. Of course, you haven't a clue as to WHY the car was penned that way. Engine fit, use of existing stock parts (windows, doors, seats, etc.), aerodynamics, wind noise, simplicity of construction, and a dozen more considerations go into each automobile design. You just think its ugly. Others might think of it as "utilitarian".

But, you are not an automobile designer, so you wouldn't know.

You watch some hot soft-core porn vid. You laugh as the male "actor", better known as your moms last boyfriend, pulls out his junk and plunges it into the valley of some dumbshitblonde whore who fakes her unbridled excitement about as well as Steven Segal faking he's Italian in "Out For Justice". You point at the screen and yelp "He's an idiot. He has NO IDEA what he's doing".

But, you have never had sex, so you wouldn't know.
And I thought Zippy was an idiot. Weak. Very weak. Why don`t you go get a can of Krylon and go spray paint your name all over Fraser, you urban-cowboy you.

And I thought Zippy was an idiot. Weak. Very weak. Why don`t you go get a can of Krylon and go spray paint your name all over Fraser, you urban-cowboy you.

Come on, Joel: It ain't funny anymore.

I know I'm new here and this seems like a very long running argument, but I'm a little confused about the central debate.

I mean basically we're arguing about the fact that Michigan fans who never actually attended the school but have grown up in Michigan and like UofM are bandwagon fans? And what proves that is the fact that there are other sports options, MSU in this case, that don't win enough so the bandwagon fans don't want to root for them?

If that is the case, then bandwagon fans under those circumstances would be a HUGE population of the world. I mean if you look at college sports for example how many huge Nebraska fans or U of Texas fans actually went to the school? And they live and die with those schools.

Here in Barcelona there are two teams: Barça and Espanyol. The vast majority of the fans here are Barça fans. Why? Because the majority of them grew up with family who were fans and, well, Barça has a richer tradition of winning than Espanyol. You would be hard pressed to call them bandwagon fans though (and some of the radical fans would take it outside, it is European soccer after all).

I think it's an interesting subject but maybe bandwagon would be the wrong word. I think that if you have a hometown team and decide to root for another team who's in direct competition with your hometown team than that's a lot more like being a bandwagon fan. But any team with a huge history of winning, in any sport, is always going to have a bigger following than any other team competing with them in that market. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same in New York with their sports teams.

It seems the same argument that Mac users would make over PC users (which could now be called hypocritical with the dominance of the ipod in the mp3 market) or diehard Wii players over Xbox or PS3.

^^ You think too much. Get drunk, get a blow job, then come back and post.
You sound kind of gay.

And who gives a fuck about Barcelona?

^^ You think too much. Get drunk, get a blow job, then come back and post.
You sound kind of gay.

And who gives a fuck about Barcelona?

Yeah, I kind of figured I'd get that response. Well now I am drunk and stoned and it's 2:30am so I guess this is where I tell you to go fuck yourself you pedantic, pretensious piece of shit. It's amazing how so many of you mindless, worthless douchebags have to validate your pathetic existence by spewing invective over the internet.

I joined this site to simply discuss Detroit sports not have to read crap from lifeless garbage, wannabe intellectuals berating each other because they find it oh so cool.

But I guess that sounds gay too huh, asshole?

Who you calling "pretentious", nancy boy? You probably live in Hamtramck, not Barcelona.
And yeah, you sound like a condescending fag.

Aw shit, Zip's been drinking again.

Zippy sure does turn into a sailor when he's fucked up, don't he.