Call me biased, whatever you want, this was the biggest hit I've ever seen. There are some that rival it, but this one is #1 for me. Hands down the loudest hit I've ever heard and even douche Bob Griese admits that. Big Ten beware: the Spartans are now jack'n some people up. Win or lose, you will feel it after you play the Spartans. Just click in the open space below if the pic doesn't come up, it should work.

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edit - fixed the video link.

Speaking of Griese, the guy is such a fucking douche I can't even take it. Okay, we get it Griese, your kid played for Michigan. You guys might not realize it here, but you go to a State forum and bring this guy up and it will get heated quick. This guy hates MSU and I get that, but you're supposed to be non-biased. He claims it was a dirty hit and rants about it twice during the game. If you watch in slow mo, he leads and finishes with his arms. Helmets collided because Nemo went through him. First announcer says don't boo, it was a great hit and Griese starts bitching about them celebrating. If you watch, Nemo is getting the high fives before he turns around to know that the medical staff is out on the field. Douche obviously riled me up about that.

Griese is a cocksucker face and his son is a honky drunkard. More typical UM panty-waists. Its football Griese, if you want to tickle Brandstatter`s balls with the rest of the UM bootlicks, go to stall #2 in the men`s room on the Michigan Replay set.

You're right. You complain about that hit and you're a nancy boy. Plain and simple. I guarantee if that hit was made by a Michigan safety, he would have been loving it.

I agree. Sick hit. Thanks for finding it Tre.

Since it wouldn't show up for me (and I dunno if anyone else is having this problem):

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Just ignore the added commentary.

congratulations, a helmet on helmet hit. way to go big guy. nothing proves your manhood like that! well, nothing except maybe conveniently taking "a week off" just to avoid the obvious first loss of the season. that was likewise manly.

congratulations, a helmet on helmet hit. way to go big guy. nothing proves your manhood like that! well, nothing except maybe conveniently taking "a week off" just to avoid the obvious first loss of the season. that was likewise manly.

I disagree that it was cheap, Nemo got a LOT of shoulder pad in that hit. That's what football is all about. Good hard and fair collisions capable of being replayed over and over and over again for our viewing pleasure.

Here's some advice...quit being a whiny bitch:)

i never called it cheep, i said it was helmet on helmet. something that isnt mentioned in the ncaa rules but im sure will be in the offseason.

and no, hits like that are not at all what football is all about, i think its sad that you think that. get a big thrill out of watching everett crumple to the ground too?

as for your advice, why dont you keep it for yourself.

i never called it cheep, i said it was helmet on helmet. something that isnt mentioned in the ncaa rules but im sure will be in the offseason.

and no, hits like that are not at all what football is all about, i think its sad that you think that. get a big thrill out of watching everett crumple to the ground too?

as for your advice, why dont you keep it for yourself.

If you can't get excited about a good LEGAL hit like that, you're a pansy, plain and simple and you should move to Canada and become a fan of curling. Blame the QB and Jefferson if you want to blame someone, thats what happens when you toss a weak pass over the middle.

I personally think it was ridiculous how dipshit Griese tried to make Nemo out to be some kind of thug. IT WAS THE HIT OF THE FUCKING YEAR, you're damn straight he's going to be excited.

hits like that are what cause spinal cord injuries, paralysis, and leave these guys with alzheimers (no idea how to spell it) by the time they reach 50. getting rid of these would be the greatest thing to happen to football.

btw, this thread is a joke, ranked right behind the thread for lloyd's 'no comment' on mike harte's guarantee.

you know its sparty time when a helmet to helmet hit is discussed (celebrated??) more than the actual outcome of the game.

I don't care what jersey that guy was wearing, that was a cheap shot.

The fact that they were running around celebrating while the guy lay motionless on the field is disgusting too.

I would bet that Dantonio doesn't let that happen again, at least I hope not.

Spin away, Sparties.

Jesus Fucking Christ: A thread for a tackle. The next time a Sparty complains about ANYTHING, I'm going to bring this thread up.
You twats take being an eternal twelve year old to new heights.

I don't care what jersey that guy was wearing, that was a cheap shot.

The fact that they were running around celebrating while the guy lay motionless on the field is disgusting too.

I would bet that Dantonio doesn't let that happen again, at least I hope not.

Spin away, Sparties.

All I can say is that anyone who ever played the game will say you wait all year for that perfect scenario and you fucking UNLOAD. BOOM!! WR concentrating on the ball and you steps away. He gathers it in and as he turns it upfield with you drawing a bead from steps away BAM!! As Tre said that didn't start out helmet to helmet. The impetus drove him thru the ball carrier and he drilled him as taught by any football coach worth a shit. As for the high fiving afterward? Maybe everyone should have stopped in their tracks to see if the guy was alive and then high fived? Fuck, it's football not "Dancing With the Stars". It was a Bam-Bam play and the adrenaline is surging. It was a highlight reel hit and the only one sniveling was that whiney, sniveling bitch Bob Greasy who wears a Blue & Yellow tie to every broadcast and still hasn't forgiven MSU for thrashing him as a senior at Pur-doo. He is a sad little twerp who lives on in his kids .5 NC.

You are correct in that I never played organized football, so maybe my opinion on this doesn't matter as much, but I can honestly say that I would hold the same opinion if that was a UM player, a Lions player or a Steelers player that did that and acted that way afterwards.

Yeah because Bob Griese was not the starting QB for the a team that ran the table and won a Super Bowl. Sory I meant he was starting QB for 2 Super Bowl winning teams. Oh did I mention he was in the HoF?

Yeah good thing his kid gave him something to be proud of due to the fact that his career sucked so bad.

I dont have a problem with the hit. I just got a problem with the celebration afterwards especially after the whole Everett thing.

I didn't view the hit as cheap because I don't think the intent was to hit him helmet to helmet. I do think hits like that should be outlawed though. Those hits end careers, which is even worse in college when kids haven't made a dime off football yet.

When I was watching the game, I thought the hit was all pads. After seeing replays, it was not. Regardless I think he intended to get all pad and missed a little. Hard to blame the kid really, but I would probably see the hit as dirty if I was a wisky fan.

I was watching the game and when it happened I said "holy shit...". I don't think the hit was intended to be dirty, and I don't think that he was trying to injure the guy. I often feel that body control is a whole lot easier said than done.

However, the only problem I had with it was the celebration, by the whole team, especially after they saw the player was still down. Show a little compassion, then celebrate. What if he had been paralyzed?

Yeah because Bob Griese was not the starting QB for the a team that ran the table and won a Super Bowl. Sory I meant he was starting QB for 2 Super Bowl winning teams. Oh did I mention he was in the HoF?

Yeah good thing his kid gave him something to be proud of due to the fact that his career sucked so bad.

I dont have a problem with the hit. I just got a problem with the celebration afterwards especially after the whole Everett thing.

I said Greasy is a Blue & Yellow apologist from the word go. He has always been anti-MSU and I say it's because he has a long memory of how shabbily they treated him. Admittedly the guy was a very good QB and deserving of H.O.F.. By the same token he should be above the girl talk about "the hit." It exposed him for the prejudiced prick that he is.

Actually I was referring to this
He is a sad little twerp who lives on in his kids .5 NC. on why I posted about him.

Not about him being a Maize and Blue apologist.

You are correct in that I never played organized football, so maybe my opinion on this doesn't matter as much, but I can honestly say that I would hold the same opinion if that was a UM player, a Lions player or a Steelers player that did that and acted that way afterwards.
Somehow this doesn`t surprise me.

You are correct in that I never played organized football, so maybe my opinion on this doesn't matter as much, but I can honestly say that I would hold the same opinion if that was a UM player, a Lions player or a Steelers player that did that and acted that way afterwards.

This is a fast violent game. If you look at the tape (and I haven't) I'm betting that the high fiving went on without those kids noticing that the player hit was not stirring. There was a reason that hit was featured on sportscasts everywhere. It was spectacular and as a teammate you don't stop in your tracks and inspect the carnage. You run to your teammate and celebrate his "shot." I thought , if memory serves, that things got calm immediately when it was noticed that the kid wasn't moving. Rightly so.

Somehow this doesn`t surprise me.

It's comical how much of a tool you are.

It's comical how much of a tool you are.
I`d rather be a "tool" than a little pussy.

Apparently bukdow does not like a little pussy.

not that there is anything wrong with that...

I would bet that Dantonio doesn't let that happen again, at least I hope not.

Spin away, Sparties.

How wrong you are Glenn.

Dantonio not only would like to see it happen again, (the good quality hit...not the post-hit celebration with a guy lying on the ground) but in order to make sure that everyone on his team knows that he would like to see hard hits like that happen again, he gave "The Bone" to Nemo for his hit on Saturday.

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The Bone goes to.....

Safety Nehemiah Warrick won 'The Bone' for his jarring hit on Wisconsin receiver Kyle Jefferson .

The Bone, defensive back Travis Key explained, " goes to the player that has the biggest hit of the game. I guess it's a cow bone or something. It's a real bone. It's pretty heavy. It was Coach Narduzzi's idea (defensive coordinator Pat Narduzzi ).

"We definitely compete out there thinking about that bone. It's something that gets us riled up."

The player who makes the biggest hit each game gets his name and number on The Bone and gets to keep it for the week.

Key has won twice, linebackers Sir Darean Adams and Greg Jones once each.

"I think Coach Narduzzi said whoever won it the most times gets to keep it at the end of the year," Key said.

Hit review

Jefferson didn't play in the second half after what many considered a helmet-to-helmet hit by Warrick.

Dantonio saw the play differently.

"He put his shoulder on him, I felt," Dantonio said. "It was shoulder. It was body to body."

Nevertheless, Wisconsin fans booed the Spartans players who celebrated the hit while Jefferson lay on the ground, motionless.

"I can understand how they get excited when they knock a guy down," Dantonio said. "Football's a contact game. But I was trying to get Nemo (Warrick) back in the huddle. That's a sensitive issue, I think. We need to be mature about how we play."
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Spin away Wolvies.

Sorry I wasn't clear, I was referring to the post-hit celebration when I said he wouldn't let that happen again.

Do you think Dantonio uses that as a recruiting tool as well?

"And you know what young man, if you come to State and play really well, I'll give you the Bone"[smilie=sick.gif]

Do you think Dantonio uses that as a recruiting tool as well?

"And you know what young man, if you come to State and play really well, I'll give you the Bone"[smilie=sick.gif]

Recruiting tool? No.

In-season motivation for the team's defensive players? Of course. Players get pumped for any kind of individual respect and positive recognition they can get during the season. Whether it be helmet stickers, a game ball or yes, even a "Bone". Players just like to be reminded and applauded when they do something good out there on the field and as a result they strive to achieve that level of recognition.

B.F. Skinner would be proud!

congratulations, a helmet on helmet hit. way to go big guy. nothing proves your manhood like that! well, nothing except maybe conveniently taking "a week off" just to avoid the obvious first loss of the season. that was likewise manly.

B-Diddy is a bitch. Plain and simple. Please explain to me cry baby how you can deliver that monster of a hit without helmets coming in contact whatsoever. Did he lead with his helmet? That's the question. NO. Visit a different thread sissy boy.

I don't care what jersey that guy was wearing, that was a cheap shot.

The fact that they were running around celebrating while the guy lay motionless on the field is disgusting too.

I would bet that Dantonio doesn't let that happen again, at least I hope not.

Spin away, Sparties.

If you watch the video, you'll see that a couple of guys came up and patted Nemo on the head RIGHT AFTER. He hadn't even turned around to see Jefferson on the ground yet. It wasn't like they saw him on the ground and then continued to celebrate. I love this shit, UM fans think State players should hit softer when a guy is coming acrossed the middle. LOL! What a fucking joke.

Jesus Fucking Christ: A thread for a tackle. The next time a Sparty complains about ANYTHING, I'm going to bring this thread up.
You twats take being an eternal twelve year old to new heights.

Yeah, this is way worse than when you guys had 8 threads going at one time crying about not being in the NC last year. It was an AMAZING hit. If you don't like the post DON'T FUCKING READ IT.

blah, blah, blah.

why dont you go rip on michigan fans for not taking their medicine after the ASU loss and then go take "a vacation" for another msu loss.

nice hypocricy.

Yeah, this is way worse than when you guys had 8 threads going at one time crying about not being in the NC last year. It was an AMAZING hit. If you don't like the post DON'T FUCKING READ IT.

I think comparing a single hit in a regular season game to discussion about barely missing out on a chance to play for the national championship is tenuous, at best.

i never ripped on the hit for being cheap or illigel. it was a good legal hit.

its also the unfortunate side of football that often leads to extremely bad things to the players involved.

this thread is just so classic sparty its not even funny. im wondering the next time a msu player gets taken off the field in a stretcher if suddenly hits like these arent really what football is all about...

I think comparing a single hit in a regular season game to discussion about barely missing out on a chance to play for the national championship is tenuous, at best.

It wasn't ONE thread, it was EIGHT all about not being in the title game. I seriously counted.

blah, blah, blah.

why dont you go rip on michigan fans for not taking their medicine after the ASU loss and then go take "a vacation" for another msu loss.

nice hypocricy.

Why don't you talk some shit while everyone in the nation laughs at your team for two weeks, wait...you've already done that. And then act like anybody is going to take anything you say seriously.

Taking a break from the site isn't anything to be embarrassed about. Now talking shit after your team endured the biggest disgrace in the history of the sport and now crying about a big hit-THAT'S EMBARRASSING. Maybe you should take a vacation and we might forget about what a joke you are.

i never ripped on the hit for being cheap or illigel. it was a good legal hit.

its also the unfortunate side of football that often leads to extremely bad things to the players involved.

this thread is just so classic sparty its not even funny. im wondering the next time a msu player gets taken off the field in a stretcher if suddenly hits like these arent really what football is all about...

Players being injured is not what football is about, you are right. Amazing plays and fast hard hitting action is what football is about-sounds like the definition of this play. This was a legal hit, it was the hit of the year if not the decade, and nobody was hurt. But nancy boy wants to cry about it, what the fuck. Michigan fans ripped State for being soft and a joke for the last 7 years. Now they are hitting people and Diddy is crying about it. Warm up a bottle for this bitch and maybe start a flag football thread for him while you're at it too.

If you watch the video, you'll see that a couple of guys came up and patted Nemo on the head RIGHT AFTER. He hadn't even turned around to see Jefferson on the ground yet. It wasn't like they saw him on the ground and then continued to celebrate. I love this shit, UM fans think State players should hit softer when a guy is coming acrossed the middle. LOL! What a fucking joke.


Watch that video again. The medical staff was already on the field when they came up to Warrick. Only one player had celebrated with Warrick prior to that.

Most of the Spartans immediately stood around him like they were concerned. #34 came up to Warrick right away, so I give him a free pass.

#13 and #12 were celebrating long after the hit and the trainers were out there.

So what do you guys plan on doing over the weekend?

I plan on trying out for every organized sport so I can comment on them when I go back to work on Monday.

giving the wife "The Bone"

Watch that video again. The medical staff was already on the field when they came up to Warrick. Only one player had celebrated with Warrick prior to that.

Most of the Spartans immediately stood around him like they were concerned. #34 came up to Warrick right away, so I give him a free pass.

#13 and #12 were celebrating long after the hit and the trainers were out there.

If those players saw that the player was hurt and they continued to celebrate, then I don't like it and I think they need to be talked to for that. But, as Jack mentioned, if you are on the field and your teammate makes a hit like that, I think I'd run over immediately and slap him on the helmet. (Of course I wouldn't slap too hard because I wouldn't want to upset Diddy) I don't know that I would have even seen the medical staff right at that moment. Based on the replay, I don't see that for sure so I can't rip them. If they did, then that's low. But I don't think there is proof of that.

Like I said, all I saw was the two players. You can't tell where they were on the field, just how long it had been since the hit. My gutt fieling is that it was poor taste. it's possible that they didn't see the guy laying there, but I doubt it. Otherwise they'd be huddling up for another play. They had to know the guy was still down.

If those players saw that the player was hurt and they continued to celebrate, then I don't like it and I think they need to be talked to for that. But, as Jack mentioned, if you are on the field and your teammate makes a hit like that, I think I'd run over immediately and slap him on the helmet. (Of course I wouldn't slap too hard because I wouldn't want to upset Diddy) I don't know that I would have even seen the medical staff right at that moment. Based on the replay, I don't see that for sure so I can't rip them. If they did, then that's low. But I don't think there is proof of that.

Right. The first test is that you ARE a teammate. You can't just have some tenuous connection. Then, and only then, would you be allowed to cheer for said hit.

If you keep watching the game after that clip, you will hear Griese and the other guy lecturing about how that is not the proper way to hit. Its not even the fact that it is helmet to helmet (which is illegal in the NFL) its that he dropped his head at the last second. 'See what you are hitting' is preached by any decent defensive coach because dropping your head is how that MSU player might have had a devestating injury rather than the UW player. Anyway... obviously you know who I was cheering for in the game but even I went 'ooooh' when I saw that. The female even said holy shit. Celebrating while the player is down isn't cool though.

I can't think of a more gay nickname than Nemo...just my 2 cents.

Tre:
I want you to go outside and jump in front of a bus going 48 MPH so you can comment on the hit for real, and not just have a tenuous connection to it.

I can't think of a more gay nickname than Nemo...just my 2 cents.

For some reason I don't think of the Disney character when I hear it in regards to Warrick. I guess it's because of hits like that, that make me take it a completely different way. I hear it in class and think disney, I hear it outside of class and think about my boy bringing the pain.

Warrick was a serious bad ass before "the hit" and he will remain one well after. He brings the lumber. Lives for it.

you fucking stupid dancing bears. nothing ever changes with sparty. "biggest hit ive ever seen!!", well when youve been watching the washington generals get lit up for the past decade, your really not qualified to speak on such topics.

but keep up the good work, and sparty on. cuz that really is what this thread is all about, isnt it? it has to be.

I think the debate turns on whether the hit was helmet to helmet. It seems to generally be considered a helmet-to-helmet, and you can see the wisconsin's players helmet spin around after colliding with the state player's helmet. So, I am pretty suprised that Dantonio would reward a player for a hit that would result in a personal foul and fine in the nfl (also one that resulted in a concussion for the opposing player). It just seems to be in poor taste in my opinion. It could also lead to more scrutiny for msu defensive players, (which should be somewhat unnerving in light of the amount of penalties racked up by the defense thus far). Given the precedent set by the NFL for such hits and Dantonio's subsequent endorsement, this also opens up msu and dantonio himself to litigation if a serious injury results from another spartan head-to-head collision. basically, there are many reasons why rewarding the hit is just a bad idea.

anyways, I don't think the msu player was intentionally attempting to injure the wisconsin player, but there is a reason that the nfl instituted a rule for such hits. As players get bigger stronger and faster, skulls and brains do not become more impervious to trauma. Thus, there needs to be more restraint against helmet to helmet hits in the present day to prevent even accidental major collisions. just my 2 cents. (I enjoy seeing a good hit, but seeing someone motionless on the field afterwards ruins any satisfaction for me.)

A referee was standing about three yards away and watched the whole thing from seconds before to the time the UW kid was on the ground. Nothing was called. Not unsportsmanlike conduct, not unnecessary roughness, nothing. Its football, it was clean and Warrick smoked the kid and hopefully MSU will continue to beat the shit out of the other team. End of story. Why don`t you pansies go crochet or something else that won`t upset your delicate sensibilities.

you fucking stupid dancing bears. nothing ever changes with sparty. "biggest hit ive ever seen!!", well when youve been watching the washington generals get lit up for the past decade, your really not qualified to speak on such topics.

but keep up the good work, and sparty on. cuz that really is what this thread is all about, isnt it? it has to be.

Your own Bob Griese said it was the loudest hit he's ever heard. So maybe it's time to shut the fuck up. Like anyone is going to take anything you say seriously about a hit when you've whined like a little puss about the hit being wrong. Go to the flag football thread nancy.

I think the debate turns on whether the hit was helmet to helmet. It seems to generally be considered a helmet-to-helmet, and you can see the wisconsin's players helmet spin around after colliding with the state player's helmet. So, I am pretty suprised that Dantonio would reward a player for a hit that would result in a personal foul and fine in the nfl (also one that resulted in a concussion for the opposing player). It just seems to be in poor taste in my opinion. It could also lead to more scrutiny for msu defensive players, (which should be somewhat unnerving in light of the amount of penalties racked up by the defense thus far). Given the precedent set by the NFL for such hits and Dantonio's subsequent endorsement, this also opens up msu and dantonio himself to litigation if a serious injury results from another spartan head-to-head collision. basically, there are many reasons why rewarding the hit is just a bad idea.

anyways, I don't think the msu player was intentionally attempting to injure the wisconsin player, but there is a reason that the nfl instituted a rule for such hits. As players get bigger stronger and faster, skulls and brains do not become more impervious to trauma. Thus, there needs to be more restraint against helmet to helmet hits in the present day to prevent even accidental major collisions. just my 2 cents. (I enjoy seeing a good hit, but seeing someone motionless on the field afterwards ruins any satisfaction for me.)

Helmets hit on every single play. The problem is when the player leads with his helmet and that was not the case here. Dantonio believed it to be a legal hit which it was, therefore he rewarded a player for the biggest hit of the game as he has every single week. Leave it to Diddy and X to criticize anything and everything MSU.

I've watched the video that you posted about 12 times now, and I still feel the same way.

I think that he does indeed lead with his helmet, but it gets masked a bit because of the follow through with his arms.

Not that we are ever going to agree on this, but the hit isn't really what is concerning to me, it's the celebration afterwards that seems over the top.

And I agree that the fans weren't necessarily booing about the hit, it's most likely the fact that they see the medical staff running out to tend to a motionless player and the MSU players are out there celebrating.

Who the fuck cares what Griese is saying? UM fans certainly aren't claiming him as one of their own, he's a Boilermaker.

Helmets hit on every single play. The problem is when the player leads with his helmet and that was not the case here. Dantonio believed it to be a legal hit which it was, therefore he rewarded a player for the biggest hit of the game as he has every single week. Leave it to Diddy and X to criticize anything and everything MSU.


i'm glad tre is back to liven up the board, but I don't really have the time or desire to criticize anything and everything msu. most wisconsin fans seem to think it was a dirty hit and most msu fans think it was a clean hit. I would say it was a controversial hit. The wisconsin player is ok now, so i guess it is all water under the bridge at this point. I really don't know the NCAA rule for helmet to helmet hits. it might be perfectly legal for players to use their helmets against receivers for all I know. however, in the nfl, they specifically sanction plays with helmet to helmet contact especially if they lead to concussions. I would guess that opposing coaches will point out the dantonio award to referees prior to games for added scrutiny. I know that you and bukdow like to bitch about referees before games even start, so I thought you might worry about this. However, if you guys aren't concerned neither am i.

I would guess that opposing coaches will point out the dantonio award to referees prior to games for added scrutiny.

Lloyd Carr prior to the UM/MSU game...

Lloyd: "Hey ref, come here for a second. Did you hear that Dantonio rewarded Warrick for that hit on Jefferson in the Wisconsin game a few weeks ago?"

Official: "No, I didn't know that. Why are you telling me this?"

Lloyd: "I just thought you should know."

Official: "Why?"

Lloyd: "Well I don't want one of my guys getting hurt out there today."

Official: "And...?"

Lloyd: "I just thought maybe you could say something to Warrick and Dantonio."

Official (laughing): What do you want me to do Lloyd, tell 'em not to hit your guys so hard?"

Lloyd: "That's not what I meant."

Official: (still laughing): "Well what DID you mean Lloyd?"

Lloyd (pouting as he walks away): "Nevermind....asshole."

Official (chuckling as he walks away): "Pussy."

Right. Because if there's one thing that Michigan is scared of, it's being "out-physicaled" by MSU.

Right. Because if there's one thing that Michigan is scared of, it's being "out-physicaled" by MSU.

Xanadu, Diddy and Glenn sure seem concerned about it.

Michigan probably wasn't too scared of Appalachian State either. Look how far that got 'em.

Michigan's problems don't have anything to do with being weak. They're bigger than almost every opponent they play. They're just slow. App. State beat Michigan because they had no idea how to tackle a quick guy. Same with Oregon.

I have no doubts that MSU can and probably will beat U of M this year. But it's not because of MSU's size. It'll be because their coach knows how to adapt to today's game.

Agree its the way the team was built. Big but then its slow. There won't be any change to Lloyds recruiting. A change will happen if/when we get a new coach.

i'd think michigan will be ten point favorites at east lansing this year. i dont buy for a second that this is sparty's year.

and whatever on me being afraid of sparty's big hits. i think helmet to helmet hits are wreckless and an extremely unfortunate side of football, that lead to horrible results all too often.

i realize in the eyes of sparties this makes me a pussy/ coward/ whiney bitch etc, and im comfortable with that. spartys have actually gotten extremely hard to please these days.

Here is a description of the hit by the michigan state student paper:


Jefferson caught a pass over the middle and Warrick slammed into him at full speed, helmet to helmet, sending him backflipping onto his head. Jefferson sat out the rest of the game with a head injury.


http://www.statenews.com/index.php/article/2007/09/fight_for_the_right

To me this sounds exactly like the type of play sanctioned by the NFL, but then I guess the NFL is just for pussies right? I understand that football is a fast physical game and that players don't always have full control over what happens. However, coaches do have complete control over celebrating and rewarding plays that lead to high probabilities of serious injuries. Anyways, did state fans notice that undisciplined defensive penalties played a major role in their loss on saturday or were they too excited by "the hit"? There is a difference between physical and stupid.

Damn, I can't believe this thread has reached 7 pages.

Anyways, did state fans notice that undisciplined defensive penalties played a major role in their loss on saturday or were they too excited by "the hit"? There is a difference between physical and stupid.

you must not be at all familiar with what the term "sparty on" really means. the police are still arresting msu students from the last msu riot that was either celebrating an ncaa win / protesting a ncaa loss (it honestly doesnt matter which).

i mean, this story is as old as time with state.

remember this game from the john L days?

w4yiwyeRrUI

I like JackTalkThai calling his shot! Michigan State has already cornered the market on swagger!
I'm not feeling any MSU victory just yet, though. Lots of football to be played before then.
There's nothing that would indicate that Sparty is ready to do this.

MSU will kick UM`s ass up and down the field. Bet on it. MSU by 14 points.

you must not be at all familiar with what the term "sparty on" really means. the police are still arresting msu students from the last msu riot that was either celebrating an ncaa win / protesting a ncaa loss (it honestly doesnt matter which).

i mean, this story is as old as time with state.

remember this game from the john L days?

w4yiwyeRrUI

Do you have to come to every thread with your UM BS? This thread was about a hit made by an MSU player on a Wisconsin player and somehow you throw UM into it. UM has nothing to do with this thread, I don't know that Michigan's D has caught anyone, let alone hit anyone this year.

I've watched the video that you posted about 12 times now, and I still feel the same way.

I think that he does indeed lead with his helmet, but it gets masked a bit because of the follow through with his arms.

Not that we are ever going to agree on this, but the hit isn't really what is concerning to me, it's the celebration afterwards that seems over the top.

And I agree that the fans weren't necessarily booing about the hit, it's most likely the fact that they see the medical staff running out to tend to a motionless player and the MSU players are out there celebrating.

Who the fuck cares what Griese is saying? UM fans certainly aren't claiming him as one of their own, he's a Boilermaker.

I posted the video once. And once again, prove to me that MSU was "celebrating" while they knew he was being treated by the medical staff. No video shows them seeing this and then continuing to celebrate. They show the staff running on the field immediately and two players patting Nemo on the helmet a second after they start to run out. Show me video where they see the treated player and then celebrate, you can't.

MSU will kick UM`s ass up and down the field. Bet on it. MSU by 14 points.

Will you leave the board if that doesn't happen?

I posted the video once. And once again, prove to me that MSU was "celebrating" while they knew he was being treated by the medical staff. No video shows them seeing this and then continuing to celebrate. They show the staff running on the field immediately and two players patting Nemo on the helmet a second after they start to run out. Show me video where they see the treated player and then celebrate, you can't.

Prove that they weren't, you can't.

What I meant was that I watched the video about 12 times, not that you posted it 12 times.

Will you leave the board if that doesn't happen?
No, I won`t leave the board. However, I will take my medicine like a man.

Ya see, you non-alumni UM fans have become like george w. bush supporters. You have been allowed to run around shooting your mouth off with no connection or sacrifice. I am here to consistently let you know what you are, people who want to back a winner. Just like the george w. bush supporters are all gung-ho for war yet still drive their SUVs and the limit of their sacrifice or actual support is a yellow ribbon magnet, you non-alumni UM fans are people who want to back a winner and have no real connection to the team. As long as they win, you love them.

Both groups need to be removed from the adult table and returned to the childrens` table where they belong.

So now you're comparing supporting the Michigan football team to supporting the President? I'm glad you think Michigan football really is that big.

So now you're comparing supporting the Michigan football team to supporting the President? I'm glad you think Michigan football really is that big.
No, what I am saying is those who support george w. bush and those who are non-alumni UM supporters, exhibit some of the same ignoble characteristics.

I'm going to be busy watching the game, so I have a favor to ask of you...would you be willing to run to WalMart for me?

"Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"

I bet NEMO is wreaking havoc out on the field this fine day, helping hold Norhtwestern to a 20-13 lead over Sparty.
Could THIS be the day we all anticipate?
http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/917522/2/istockphoto_917522_nuclear_explosion.jpg

No, I won`t leave the board. However, I will take my medicine like a man.

Ya see, you non-alumni UM fans have become like george w. bush supporters. You have been allowed to run around shooting your mouth off with no connection or sacrifice. I am here to consistently let you know what you are, people who want to back a winner. Just like the george w. bush supporters are all gung-ho for war yet still drive their SUVs and the limit of their sacrifice or actual support is a yellow ribbon magnet, you non-alumni UM fans are people who want to back a winner and have no real connection to the team. As long as they win, you love them.

Both groups need to be removed from the adult table and returned to the childrens` table where they belong.

So they can join bukdow, who's been banished there even by his fellow Sparties.

so i guess this is the ogt?

its just a story as old as time for the spartys. beat up on absolute nobodys, inflate heads, send out the dancing bears vs 1/2 decent competition.

were there atleast any big hits this game? boom! bang!

Like I said last night: MSU has cornered the market on swagger.

Anyone still think they're going to clobber Michigan?

Fuckin retards.

http://www.sinner.se/wp-content/2007/05/retards.jpg

i thought this was the turning point of the game:

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The game wasn't on any major network and since I'm not in Michigan I didn't see the bear. Either way this was a fucking unacceptable loss.


Northwestern Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int
C. Bacher 38 48 522 79.2 10.9 2 4 5 0

This is not game I expected Dantonio to lose. Wisconsin? Maybe but not Northwestern, plug the holes defense! If we can't beat this team then how will the game against UM go? I'm starting to fear that the Spartans are looking too far ahead towards beating UM and forgetting about the here and now.

Dantonio is yet to prove anything in my opinion...even John L. Smith would've had the Spartans 4-2 at this point...

I love it!

I disagree, I believe if Smith had continued we would be in a worst position then we are now. The question is how will Dantonio rebound?

i disagree on john l too. state, for the most part, looked pretty tough against wisco. dantonio has lots to prove, but i'd definitly take him over john L so far.

The thing John L brought to the table was an imaginative offense. MSU just has Ringer to hand off to right now. The better teams in the big 10 will not let him rip off 287 yards.
Sparty in big trouble, boy. All their yapping over the last few weeks is starting to look pretty damn silly right about now.
Remember the laugh-a-thon when UM had a rough time with Northworstern? Now this?
And ya'll think Dantonio is a better coach than Smith for WHAT REASON???

The thing John L brought to the table was an imaginative offense.

and humilation to Michigan State football program. You don't slap yourself or your star quarterback during a press confrence.


MSU just has Ringer to hand off to right now. The better teams in the big 10 will not let him rip off 287 yards.

Why are you ignoring J. Caulcrick? Has he not produced in past games?


Sparty in big trouble, boy. All their yapping over the last few weeks is starting to look pretty damn silly right about now.
Remember the laugh-a-thon when UM had a rough time with Northworstern? Now this?

Not silly, it's depressing. However the season is not over so my opinion on the overall squad cannot be formed yet.


And ya'll think Dantonio is a better coach than Smith for WHAT REASON??

I have not seen him battle through an entire season yet, but from what I have seen, the offense is set, Dantonio needs to work on the defense. However, one of his goals was to beat Michigan, if he can do that, then he has my vote of confidence.

Dantonio has had 6 games to prove himself! Give him 2 or 3 years before you start saying he is just as bad as John L. 4-2 isn't bad, and his team is making improvements. He doesn't have any of his recruits right now. The thing that would be depressing for Sparty fans is if State goes into a funk now like they have done the past few years. Dantonio has got to get them to respond, instead of sulk. They can still make a bowl game this year, and his team should focus on that.

OK I've been impressed by Coach Dantonio, said so. I would have bet money that he wouldn't allow the traditional "MSU tough loss hangover" after last week with a very beatable opponent coming in. (Oh I did bet my money...Ugh!!!).

What I watched yesterday was more of the same. I'm not ready to bash Dantonio. This shit is "Twilight Zone otherworldly". Seriously. It's in the fucking water in Ingham County. It's fucking beyond bizarre. The coaches change, the players change but the patterns of play don't. This shit has been going on for 40 years. Mercifully for twenty of those years I lived out west and was too high to realize the Big 10 existed any longer until they'd show up for their Rosey flogging annually so I was a little "looped and out of the loop." Move back East of the "Big Muddy" and thought I'd revisit my Spartan roots as a kid and these last years I've been back I've become aware of this "40-year phenomenon."

Yesterday Ringer showed why he's the best back in the Big 10. He has a bunch of interchangeable parts blocking for him every week. He doesn't have the hype. He rarely gets caught from behind as anyone who saw the 80 yarder can attest to. He got hit twice along the sideline yet lived to put it into overdrive and leave the purples in the dust. 185 yards on 12 carries anothe 50+ on 6 catches. YET HE TOUCHES THE BALL ONCE FROM THE 11 MINUTE MARK IN THE 4TH QUARTER???

Meanwhile Treadwell & Dantonio are trying to turn Hoyer into Brett Favray.

I mean what can you say? It's unspeakable. So in the wake of things you probably have some recruits in to watch this abortion and and you say w"well guys want to come on board??" I'm thinkin' they sign up right after the Shaman comes thru with the chickens feet and snake heads.

I still think they go to a bowl but that performance yesterday was a humbling one for Dantonio. A firm reminder that he is in East Lansing to make chicken patties from a steaming pile of chicken shit. I wish him the best.

If you can't get excited about a good LEGAL hit like that, you're a pansy, plain and simple and you should move to Canada and become a fan of curling. Blame the QB and Jefferson if you want to blame someone, thats what happens when you toss a weak pass over the middle.

I personally think it was ridiculous how dipshit Griese tried to make Nemo out to be some kind of thug. IT WAS THE HIT OF THE FUCKING YEAR, you're damn straight he's going to be excited.


Just because the refs didn't call the illegal helmet to helmet hit doesn't mean it's a good legal hit. It's obvious in the replay that he led with his helmet and hit Jefferson in the helmet. Hence the sound you hear in the replay. Yes I'm really sure I'm a pansy as well because I thought it was a helmet to helmet hit, great logic.

I had one of my daughters put on a helmet, and I donned one myself, and we went out into the yard to test this theory. My wife stood ten feet away with a camcorder to see if that indeed was the sound you hear. She took the football, darted right (past the ash tree near the front of my lawn), and, moving right to left on your computer screen, I came at her full speed, left my feet, and led with my helmet straight at her head. It was brutal, every bit as powerful as Nemo's hit, and the sound my wife picked up was identical.
Conclusion: Helmet to helmet, illegal, and I was flagged with a ten foot personal foul penalty by my other daughter, who was playing referee.

was it the biggest hit your wife had ever seen? AND, did you atleast jar the ball loose, unlike rough and tough nemo of msu? cuz you'd think on the biggest hit of all time the hit would have atleast caused an incompletion, let alone fumble. i really hope you included a football in the expirement, cuz i'd hate for you to have to do it again.

Oh yeah, she had the ball. I jarred that motherfucker into next Tuesday. I think I broke her clavicle and her kneecap, and may have separated her shoulder.
If she'd stop crying like a Sparty, then she could tell me if she needs to go to the doctor. Even if she does, I might not take her.

And did your wife cheer?

btw... Jacktalkthai's name is the shit. There were some funny parts in that flic. "Oh yeah, Jack talk Thai alright" As a result, I end up thinking about the movie and forgetting what JTT posts.

No Tina, Jack can talk thai. Jack talk thai very well.

I'm a sucker for that movie. I just laughed out loud at that.

The water volley ball stuff was a crack up.

I bet bukdow's real name is Gay Focker.

oh, snap!


Those who passionately support this program detest the weak sister comparisons to other teams in this state. They want respect and cry about an institutional unfairness when they're not taken seriously. But they conveniently forget that respect is earned.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071007/SPORTS07/710070633/1048/SPORTS

looks like drew took the little brother jokes up a level.

Here's what I love about hits like this one: a bunch of people arguing that there was nothing wrong with it, because it was technically allowed by the rules. Because, of course, what's good and bad are always written down in the rules.

I wonder if there is another columnist in the entire country that sparks the hatred that drew sharp does and could actually bring UM and MSU fans together on something.

He is just the POS on the planet when it comes to a paid sports columnist.

anyone catch that the team that msu got its marquee win of the season against lost to navy, at home, last night?

i guess you could say navy was trying extremely hard to win, though.

ps: did tre get banned from this board? for someone who called posters out for not showing up after a michigan loss, the relationship between tre's absences and msu losses is extremely cogent.

extremely focused in trying to win

anyone catch that the team that msu got its marquee win of the season against lost to navy, at home, last night?

i guess you could say navy was trying extremely hard to win, though.

ps: did tre get banned from this board? for someone who called posters out for not showing up after a michigan loss, the relationship between tre's absences and msu losses is extremely cogent.

Anyone catch Michigan losing to Appalacian State who then lost to Wofford? Shut the fuck up.

Wofford is a division 1AA powerhouse. You take that back, Tre.

Tre would be the #1 seed if we had a "Tournament of Puttz"

Anyone catch Michigan losing to Appalacian State who then lost to Wofford? Shut the fuck up.

the app st loss was bad anyway you sliced it. but spartys thought the penn win was a good one, doesnt look that way anymore.

btw, that app state loss youve been yapping about and how the whole nation was laughing at UM? ive seen some national pub calling it not even the worst or second worst loss of the season.

meanwhile, as stated, the highlight of the msu season without a doubt was something bad happening to UM. not that youd know, since you abandoned ship at the first sign of trouble.

"i was reading the posts, i just didnt respond because i agreed with everything". hahahaha. please. tournament of putz indeed.

the app st loss was bad anyway you sliced it. but spartys thought the penn win was a good one, doesnt look that way anymore.

btw, that app state loss youve been yapping about and how the whole nation was laughing at UM? ive seen some national pub calling it not even the worst or second worst loss of the season.

meanwhile, as stated, the highlight of the msu season without a doubt was something bad happening to UM. not that youd know, since you abandoned ship at the first sign of trouble.

"i was reading the posts, i just didnt respond because i agreed with everything". hahahaha. please. tournament of putz indeed.

I love downplaying the embarrassment that was App. State. The media has a short memory. This was and is the biggest upset/embarrassment in the history of the sport. Don't twist it, you sound like a moron.

We think every win is important, not just the Pitt. one because we're trying to rebuild and trying to get to a bowl in one year with a new coach who's using a joke coach's players. I don't care if the win comes against a 1AA school (oh, whoops), it is big to the program because we just need wins.

Let's get something straight nancy boy, UM was #2 in the country heading into the season and their season was over after Wk. 1. MSU was projected 5 wins. So don't come here throwing around your garbage because your team has been one giant disappointment with Top 5 talent. Meanwhile, we are on pace to pass the expectations. So once again, shut the fuck up.

WHO ABANDONED SHIP???????????????? I SAID PRIOR TO THE SEASON THAT I BELIEVE IN DANTONIO AND I SAID IT AFTER LAST WEEK'S LOSS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT DOUCHE.

Top 5 talent ranked by some weanies who don't know shit obviously. Not absolving the coaching staff of their part in all of this, but I'm not convinced we have top 5 talent. We'll see...

I love downplaying the embarrassment that was App. State. The media has a short memory. This was and is the biggest upset/embarrassment in the history of the sport. Don't twist it, you sound like a moron.

We think every win is important, not just the Pitt. one because we're trying to rebuild and trying to get to a bowl in one year with a new coach who's using a joke coach's players. I don't care if the win comes against a 1AA school (oh, whoops), it is big to the program because we just need wins.

Let's get something straight nancy boy, UM was #2 in the country heading into the season and their season was over after Wk. 1. MSU was projected 5 wins. So don't come here throwing around your garbage because your team has been one giant disappointment with Top 5 talent. Meanwhile, we are on pace to pass the expectations. So once again, shut the fuck up.

WHO ABANDONED SHIP???????????????? I SAID PRIOR TO THE SEASON THAT I BELIEVE IN DANTONIO AND I SAID IT AFTER LAST WEEK'S LOSS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT DOUCHE.

id respond but your probably getting ready to go into hiding w/ indy coming to town tomorrow. im actually going to an indy bar for the game (dont get excited, i could still couldnt care less about the spartys--getting dragged), so first shot after a hoosier score is for you.

Same argument for any team over rated: The team didn;t rate themselves.
But for the #1 seed in the Tournament of Puttz, they did.
"Any win for MSU is important"
Uh, No.
They have to get big wins, Tre. They have to show something different.
It's the same argument we Michigan fans make: Sure Lloyd goes 8.7 and 3.2 every year. But he doesn't do anything different.
If Sparty goes 5-7 this year, those sure as hell ain't five "big" wins just because you say they are or because the Sparties got them.
However, if that fifth win is over UM or OSU, then you can sneak off with the jergens.
By the way, since you have crawled back under the rock with Jethro for some hot "Those other guys on the board are dummies" Man-Man Love, if MSU pulls of a miracle and beats UM, you'd better not come back on here talking your stupid shit.

Same argument for any team over rated: The team didn;t rate themselves.
But for the #1 seed in the Tournament of Puttz, they did.
"Any win for MSU is important"
Uh, No.
They have to get big wins, Tre. They have to show something different.
It's the same argument we Michigan fans make: Sure Lloyd goes 8.7 and 3.2 every year. But he doesn't do anything different.
If Sparty goes 5-7 this year, those sure as hell ain't five "big" wins just because you say they are or because the Sparties got them.
However, if that fifth win is over UM or OSU, then you can sneak off with the jergens.
By the way, since you have crawled back under the rock with Jethro for some hot "Those other guys on the board are dummies" Man-Man Love, if MSU pulls of a miracle and beats UM, you'd better not come back on here talking your stupid shit.

I was here before you and I'll be here after you. It is you that have contributed to the loss of great posters like Jethro, Tommy Z, and JackTalkThai. 95% of your posts are just shit. When you actually discuss, you're not half bad. But it is the garbage that you post on a daily basis that turns people away. Reading 87 tenous posts gets just a little old after awhile. I wouldn't rip others for not coming here anymore, I'd be embarrassed for being a big reason why.

Don't throw your fairweather shit at me because I took my "vacation" when MSU was 4-0. My team didn't dictate me not coming here, it was the same old garbage posts from you and Diddy that dictated that. It was I that ripped into the bandwagon UMers that were lost for two weeks while the national media cracked jokes about the team, only to come back shit talking after State lost or M beat PSU. So don't twist it.

Same argument for any team over rated: The team didn;t rate themselves.
But for the #1 seed in the Tournament of Puttz, they did.
"Any win for MSU is important"
Uh, No.
They have to get big wins, Tre. They have to show something different.
It's the same argument we Michigan fans make: Sure Lloyd goes 8.7 and 3.2 every year. But he doesn't do anything different.
If Sparty goes 5-7 this year, those sure as hell ain't five "big" wins just because you say they are or because the Sparties got them.
However, if that fifth win is over UM or OSU, then you can sneak off with the jergens.
By the way, since you have crawled back under the rock with Jethro for some hot "Those other guys on the board are dummies" Man-Man Love, if MSU pulls of a miracle and beats UM, you'd better not come back on here talking your stupid shit.

BTW, in regards to the good portion of your post that actually discussed MSU: I disagree. If MSU gets 6 wins and goes to a bowl for the first time in several years, those 6 wins were big. We don't have the horses to beat a bunch of really good teams. However, I'm hoping for maybe one upset over UM or OSU. I don't care if those 6 wins come against garbage though. We need a bowl and then use it to recruit. Next year I will absolutely hope for more. Unfortunately you can't turn shit into gold in one season. Just like last year I hoped for respectability for MSU hoops, and now this year I'll be expecting Championships.

I was here before you and I'll be here after you. It is you that have contributed to the loss of great posters like Jethro, Tommy Z, and JackTalkThai. 95% of your posts are just shit. When you actually discuss, you're not half bad. But it is the garbage that you post on a daily basis that turns people away. Reading 87 tenous posts gets just a little old after awhile. I wouldn't rip others for not coming here anymore, I'd be embarrassed for being a big reason why.

Don't throw your fairweather shit at me because I took my "vacation" when MSU was 4-0. My team didn't dictate me not coming here, it was the same old garbage posts from you and Diddy that dictated that. It was I that ripped into the bandwagon UMers that were lost for two weeks while the national media cracked jokes about the team, only to come back shit talking after State lost or M beat PSU. So don't twist it.

Sorry, not going to take any blame, Puttz. If those guys have no balls, that's THEIR problem.

you took your "vacation" on the eve of the first obvious upset of msu. wasnt obvious you say? probably cuz you were spartying with all your other dancing bear fans, and dismissed anyone who told you state would lose as "not objective".

you took your "vacation" on the eve of the first obvious upset of msu. wasnt obvious you say? probably cuz you were spartying with all your other dancing bear fans, and dismissed anyone who told you state would lose as "not objective".

"First obvious upset" That sentence sure was brilliant! Wow! What's next "victorious loss" maybe "incomplete reception" or here's one for Diddy, "Brilliantly Stupid." I love arguing with a fucking retard. I could give a fuck about your ridiculous claim that I disappear when State loses. It is so comical seeing as I've been posting this week following an embarrassing loss. You don't even make sense. Not surprising from somebody who talks shit to State fans after his own #2 team lost to Appy State. LOL @ Nancy Diddy

I love this forum!

you caught me, i wrote upset but ment loss. you win i guess.

ps i "talked shit" to state fans by stating that we still would beat msu this year, which you said you would take that bet (btw).

not really talking shit. i saw what kind of talent we had and what kind of talent state had and UM was still the obvious pick.

you caught me, i wrote upset but ment loss. you win i guess.

ps i "talked shit" to state fans by stating that we still would beat msu this year, which you said you would take that bet (btw).

not really talking shit. i saw what kind of talent we had and what kind of talent state had and UM was still the obvious pick.

I agree, that's exactly what you did. You talked shit to State fans after I said, "I won't rub this one in because I've experienced horrible losses at it sucks." What a fucking honorable guy. A rival fan tries to be cool about it and you talk shit about his team. You're a fucking piece of work. What else are you into? Do ya give people the finger that hold the door for you on the way into a business? Do ya cuss out clerks that wish you a nice day. Great character Diddy. You flat out stated above that you talked shit to us when we were going easy on you. What a piece of shit you are.

It was pathetic too BTW. Michigan was the laughing stock of the sports world so you tried to change the subject to UM vs. MSU. Something I'd expect a little kid to do. I don't like everyone laughing at my team, so I'll change the subject-NIIIIIIIIIIIICE.

BTW, quite the bold statement. You guaranteed your preseason #2 team would beat the 5 projected win Spartans. Any other bold statements Einstein?

Looks like "The Hit" was dirty enough to be outlawed after all.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-1-91/Officiating-video-highlights-safety--sportsmanship.html


Officiating video highlights safety, sportsmanship
July 24, 2008 1:12 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Adam Rittenberg

CHICAGO -- Before the coaches started their interviews on the dais, the Big Ten played a 15-minute Points of Emphasis video to highlight elements that college football officials will follow this season.

Officials will focus on two areas this fall -- player safety and sportsmanship. The video showed examples of plays that demonstrate the fouls that will be called.

Regarding player safety, officials will focus on protecting defenseless players who are targeted above their shoulders or above the crown of their helmets. Fouls will result in a 15-yard penalty and possible ejection.

A new rule prohibits horse-collar tackles, grabbing the back or side collar of the jersey to bring down a player. Horse-collar tackles will be called only when defenders use them to immediately bring down ball carriers.

The player safety examples shown included:

A massive hit by Michigan State's Nehemiah Warrick to the helmet of Wisconsin wide receiver Kyle Jefferson in last year's game

A Bowling Green punt returner getting steamrolled by a Tulsa gunner

Minnesota safety Dominic Jones crushing Ohio State's Santonio Holmes in a helmet-to-helmet hit.

^that makes this classic thread even funnier

something tells me the NCAA forum will be a bit calmer this fall.....not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing

While that does make this thread extremely funny, you have to understand that when fans in this forum (on both sides) are sipping their Kool Aid, nothing can convince them. Not even the NCAA using it as the #1 example of what is 100% wrong.