Looks like Wies` hubris and abrasive personality aren`t exactly paying dividends.


From a guy with access....emailed me yesterday. Enjoy.

for what's it;s worth...I am hearing alot of this. too much smoke for there not to be fire.

"Since I spend about 90 percent of my waking hours watching HBO On Demand or cruising recruiting Web sites, it was only a matter of time before this story found its way into my inbox. According to several writers on Notre Dame's rivals.com site, Irish Illustrated, the team has completely quit on head coach Charlie Weis. I don't believe you can access the articles unless you are a member, but let me sum up for you what staff writers Tim Prister and Pete Sampson had to say.

Prister claims that Weis lambasted the players for about a half an hour in the visiting locker room after the Michigan game. He told the team that Sunday would not be the typical film review day and instead would be Weis' version of boot camp. He added that it was a forgone conclusion that he had completely lost this year's team. Prister and Sampson both also discussed the transfer of opening game starting quarterback Demetrius Jones, saying that he, in fact, had to be enrolled at Northern Illinois by September 12, but continued to practice and stay at Notre Dame until he didn't show up for the bus to the Michigan game. He didn't even tell Weis, no one did, despite the fact that several players were aware of the situation. The Jones transfer has far more wide reaching concerns than the departure of a backup quarterback. Sampson claims that Jones was one of the most popular players in the locker room and none of his former teammates were angry about his transfer, most supported him or understood.

Prister goes on to say that Jones didn't transfer from Notre Dame, he abandoned a sinking ship. Keep in mind, this is a pro-Irish Web site. He also says that when he bumped in to Jones last Wednesday and asked him if he was ready for the Michigan game, Jones responded by saying, "If you thought there was drama before, there's some drama coming up." That obviously shows that Jones knew ahead of time he was moving on.

Prister then unloaded this gem, "Sure everyone knew the '07 season would be a titanic struggle. What no one knew is that it would develop into a Titanic-like struggle. Weis has lost his football team, and beating the crap out of them on the practice field offers no guarantees and runs the risk of losing them permanently." Well said.

Sampson is perhaps even more harsh. He refers to Weis has "Hurricane Hubris." He slams him for failing to read his team and their mood all the way back to spring practice, for the erosion of simple techniques and fundamentals he credits to Weis' arrogance. And he rips him for installing two offenses for two quarterback (one for Jimmy Clausen and one for Jones) rather than perfecting a basic off-tackle play.

Let's all remember that while everyone was lauding Weis' "transformation" of the program over the last two years, he was playing with upperclassmen who weren't even brought in by him. While he's done well in getting players (back to back No. 8 recruiting classes according to rivals) he has never shown that he can develop them. He's never shown that he can read a team's psyche, connect with them, pick them up when they're down and keep them focused and prepared when they're too cocky.. That is the essential difference between college and the pros and it's why guys like Pete Carroll and Mack Brown have been successful. I'm not saying Weis can't do it, he just hasn't shown he can so far.

Through some enterprising research, I also discovered that at a tailgate last season, the members of Notre Dame's 1966 team were telling anyone who would listen about the complete lack of respect they had for Weis and they way he had treated former players. This week players from the 1973 National Championship team said the same thing. As former players are not allowed to attend practices or even meet the players. And most of the "insiders" close to the program feel Weis has thrown his players under the bus, despite the fact that they obviously haven't been anywhere close to prepared for their first three games.

To cap this all off, here are some statistics for you to ponder:
-Notre Dame has started a season 0-3 only one other time in their history, that was in 2001 and then-head coach Bob Davie was fired after the season.

-The Irish have allowed 23 sacks and have yet to score an offensive touchdown in three games.

-They have lost five straight games by a combined score of 187-51.

-They currently rank dead last (120th) in the NCAA with -14 yards rushing on the season (or -4.7 per game).

-They rank 116th in passing offense, averaging 119.7 yards per game.

-They have allowed 1060 total yards this season, while gaining just 345.

-Weis is the first Notre Dame coach to lose five straight games since Hugh Devore did it in 1963, the last season the Irish lost to Navy. Oh, and Devore was fired after that season as well.

Those stats are rediculous. -14 yards rushing on the year. lol

Those stats are rediculous. -14 yards rushing on the year. lol
Yes, the stats are ridiculous. But, what is very telling is the relationship between Weis and the team. It seems there is some real animosity.

I'm a firm believer in good things happening to good people. It might not always be that way, but in the long run it generally works out that way IMO. I don't think Weis is a good person. He comes off like a prick and him completely lying last year about the incident on the sideline during the State game told me alot about his character. Did he think they wouldn't have a replay and see he made it up? I can't stand the guy and I think he's getting what is coming to him.

I'd feel this way about him whether State had a rivalry with them or not.

I'm liking the Spartans this Saturday. I'm not nuts about the number. Interesting read, B.

So how many wins does Wies have without video taping defensive play calls?

This kind of thing is when this forum is at its best. So many of you guys are super freaks when it comes to following recruiting/college athletics (and even high school stuff) that the forum should absolutely rival the NBA board.


I'm a firm believer in good things happening to good people. It might not always be that way, but in the long run it generally works out that way IMO. I don't think Weis is a good person. He comes off like a prick and him completely lying last year about the incident on the sideline during the State game told me alot about his character. Did he think they wouldn't have a replay and see he made it up? I can't stand the guy and I think he's getting what is coming to him.

I'd feel this way about him whether State had a rivalry with them or not.

Doesn't the guy have a physically/mentally challenged kid and run an organization to help other kids like his? I seem to remember some sort of special with emotion envoking lighting.

Weis is involved in autism awareness and I think you are right Fool, he has a kid that is afflicted and may have even started an autism center of some kind.

He's always seemed like an abrasive, arrogant prick to me, but apparently there is some compassion in there somewhere.

But I agree that calling him a "bad person" seems like a bit of a reach.

Perhaps he just doesn't do well with college kids. Many coaches excell in the pros but not college, or vise versa. Success in one doesn't always translate to the other.

This kind of thing is when this forum is at its best. So many of you guys are super freaks when it comes to following recruiting/college athletics (and even high school stuff) that the forum should absolutely rival the NBA board.Doesn't the guy have a physically/mentally challenged kid and run an organization to help other kids like his? I seem to remember some sort of special with emotion envoking lighting.

Cogentivity at its best, Fool.
I've never understood the animosity toward Weis.
Coming from Sparties, who hate everything and everyone not tenuously associated with Green, it's understandable. Even the Notre Dame angst is understandable. But no one knows the guy personally, just from video clips.
Is he arrogant? Probably, he probably thinks he's a great coach, and why not. Is he over the top? I don't know. Either way, apparently many people here have some insights that they won't share, just stupid hatred that is irrational.

When a person flat out lies about something serious happening, I think it says something about their character. Maybe I'm wrong, I won't shut down the possibility that he is actually a good person, but I haven't seen signs of it. In regards to the autism thing, that doesn't mean he's a good person. Donating money towards something that directly effects your life, doesn't mean he's automatically a good person just like one lie doesn't mean he's for sure a bad person. You can find a lot of bad people that have done some good in their life. Maybe I'll pull back and say I have seen and heard him say a lot of idiotic things and he doesn't seem like a honorable person.

Then let's hear 'em tre.
You are always leveling charges against people and their character. So Wies said a Sparty slapped him.
What else ya got?

Made a speech to ND alumni guaranteeing they would never lose to Michigan State again. You pick, ridiculously arrogant or ridiculously stupid comment to make. You can say well, they should expect to win. True, but what exactly is the purpose for making a comment like that to the public?

Wouldn't let Jones out of his scholarship forcing him to pay for his school. Dantonio's take on not letting a player out of their scholarship when they've made the decision to move on, "I thought we were in the business of helping young people get ahead in life, that doesn't sound like helping a kid get ahead in life to me."

If you heard him on Mike and Mike the day before their first game, you would have called him an asshole. He was cocky and a dick when they asked who his starting qb would be now that the other team has prepared for both.

Oh, he also said you were intelligent, clearly a lie and idiotic.

A) The "We'll never lose..." was sheer stupidity, I'll grant you that

B) JOnes deserts the team as they are getting on the bus. I say sometimes a kid gotta learn the lesson.
Sidenote: Now that Dantonio has won a couple games, please don't insult us with "Dantonio said" all the fucking time like some bleary eyed twelve year old boy, or that will become one hell of a funny thread right before your drooling eyes. You may, at this point, wish to have Dantonio's love child, but dude ain't exactly a legend yet, and ain't the author of any fucking gospels.
Sometimes the best thing you can do to a kid is teach him about commitment and not being a quitter. Someday, when you unfortunately reproduce, you'll have opportunities like that, such as letting your kids spend the weekend in jail instead of bailing them out again.

C) It's all perspective. I have a feeling Weis could come over your house and give you a million dollars, and you'd curse him for it because it put you into a higher tax bracket.

A) The "We'll never lose..." was sheer stupidity, I'll grant you that

B) JOnes deserts the team as they are getting on the bus. I say sometimes a kid gotta learn the lesson.
Sidenote: Now that Dantonio has won a couple games, please don't insult us with "Dantonio said" all the fucking time like some bleary eyed twelve year old boy, or that will become one hell of a funny thread right before your drooling eyes. You may, at this point, wish to have Dantonio's love child, but dude ain't exactly a legend yet, and ain't the author of any fucking gospels.
Sometimes the best thing you can do to a kid is teach him about commitment and not being a quitter. Someday, when you unfortunately reproduce, you'll have opportunities like that, such as letting your kids spend the weekend in jail instead of bailing them out again.

C) It's all perspective. I have a feeling Weis could come over your house and give you a million dollars, and you'd curse him for it because it put you into a higher tax bracket.

I quoted Dantonio not because he's a legend but because I thought he summed it up perfectly. I've seen Izzo do the stand up thing (Cotton), and then I've seen other coaches take the exact opposite approach and I think MD was dead on.

Just to let you know, you are the minority if you don't think Weis is an arrogant dick. It's not like I'm going out on a limb or saying something that thousands around the country haven't been saying for quite some time. I think you're just getting lost in debate with Tre mode just for the sake of debating.

A) The "We'll never lose..." was sheer stupidity, I'll grant you that

B) JOnes deserts the team as they are getting on the bus. I say sometimes a kid gotta learn the lesson.
Sidenote: Now that Dantonio has won a couple games, please don't insult us with "Dantonio said" all the fucking time like some bleary eyed twelve year old boy, or that will become one hell of a funny thread right before your drooling eyes. You may, at this point, wish to have Dantonio's love child, but dude ain't exactly a legend yet, and ain't the author of any fucking gospels.
Sometimes the best thing you can do to a kid is teach him about commitment and not being a quitter. Someday, when you unfortunately reproduce, you'll have opportunities like that, such as letting your kids spend the weekend in jail instead of bailing them out again.

C) It's all perspective. I have a feeling Weis could come over your house and give you a million dollars, and you'd curse him for it because it put you into a higher tax bracket.
Sounds to me like Weis bailed on Jones first. After the first game didn`t Weis say that Jimmy Douchebag was always going to be the starter, but needed time due to an operation he had on his shoulder? I bet that was news to Jones and certainly wouldn`t have been the case if Jones/ND would have tore up GT.

I've just not seen enough of him to quantify his personality Tre. I guess I'll defer to you on this one.
I wonder, though, if you don't, like alot of ND haters, just get lost in hating whomever coaches or plays for them.

BTW: I hate Notre Dame more than anybody on the planet. "Touchdown" Jesus my ass.

Zip, I actually have some love for Notre Dame. If I wasn't a State fan, I'd be a Notre Dame fan. I've told Jethro, Moodini, etc. that before. I have love for the tradition, love the campus, etc. I didn't hate Weis at all until reading about him and hearing some of the things he has said in the past.

I'm with you: I DO respect what Notre Dame brings to the table. My hatred has sprung form them spurning the Big 10 a couple years ago. I guess I better get over it.

Due to ND's struggles, ESPN.com has completely re-tooled their site. Check it out.

http://ndspn.com/

Due to ND's struggles, ESPN.com has completely re-tooled their site. Check it out.

http://ndspn.com/

The long lost Moodini! Hilarious site!

http://espn-i.starwave.com/media/apphoto/772a638b-b685-4ac9-ab2f-004e17b11a0d.jpg

I think Weis would be better served to dress like Bellichek (sp?) How can you earn your team's respect with pleated khakis that are hiked-up to just below the guy's man-boobs?

FUPA

Haha, his pleats are so stressed they are no longer pleats.