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Glenn
09-18-2007, 09:40 AM
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On Track

by Keith Langlois
Monday, September 17, 2007

Joe Dumars is impressed by actions, not words, by results, not projections. But with two weeks to go until training camp and the heavy lifting of his off-season accomplished, there’s a sense about the Pistons’ practice facility that they’ve rediscovered themselves over the summer.

Everybody’s got a little more bounce to their step, from management to coaches to support staff to established veteran players to eager young ones.

And it reinforces the notion that Dumars is perfectly in sync with his job. He doesn’t get swept up by the emotional tide of wins and losses. Revisit the Cleveland playoff loss last spring for the perfect example.

Dumars did nothing to hide his disappointment after emerging from a weeklong seclusion to put his thoughts in order, speaking openly of a complacency he found unacceptable and not so subtly suggesting his veterans had gotten too comfortable and would be challenged by young players who would be given genuine opportunities come the fall.

But that’s as far as he went. He didn’t bat an eye in the face of intense public and media pressure to break up the core of the 2004 championship team. Joe D said he’d be willing to listen to any and all offers, but it wasn’t his intention to go shopping Rasheed Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton or Tayshaun Prince – it was his intention to both push them and help them by finding more talented players to go alongside them and by letting the young players already in place know hard work over the summer would be rewarded with defined and expanded roles in the future.

And based on everything we’ve learned over the summer, that was precisely the right course. Why the sense of excitement that pervades the practice facility these days? Let’s review:


Rodney Stuckey – The buzz about the kid continues unabated. As members of Dumars’ front office staff have made their rounds this summer, peers in other NBA front offices keep telling them how many other teams are already kicking themselves for passing on Stuckey.

The consensus about last June’s draft was that it was both one of the deepest and most star-laden in a generation, and nothing about the summer has changed that perception. But Dumars and personnel director George David have both been told more than once that if the draft were to be held again, Stuckey would go much higher – and many have said he’ll become one of the five best players in this draft.



Arron Afflalo – He might have to fight for minutes this season, but Dumars is thrilled to have him. He told me last week that every championship team needs to have someone like Afflalo, a player who’ll sacrifice anything – from his stats to his body – in pursuit of wins and championships.

David told me his hope is that Afflalo will develop into a Bruce Bowen-type defender with a more rounded offensive game and believes it’s within his reach. He didn’t shoot for a high percentage in the Las Vegas Summer League, but in summer workouts he’s been shooting it like he did at UCLA. For this season, Afflalo probably won’t be called upon to score much, but down the road he could develop into a terrific two-way player.


Dumars also said both Stuckey and Afflalo are absolute gym rats. They put in their two hours during workouts and then put in two more on their own.


Jarvis Hayes – It caused very little stir around the NBA, but Dumars thinks the Hayes signing solidified his summer. It was a high-reward, no-risk signing for the Pistons, who get a guy who was the 10th pick in the draft four years ago, had a very promising rookie season and then spent two years fighting a knee injury.

He came back last year but was still sort of feeling his way. And he had to do it under tough circumstances on a Washington team that already had established perimeter scoring threats in Gilbert Arenas, Caron Butler and Antawn Jamison. This year he figures to hit the ground running at a perfect point in his career – and with something to prove in a contract year.



Amir Johnson – Dumars disputes an ESPN The Magazine story that says he was approached by 12 teams interested in sign-and-trade agreements for his prized third-year forward. But he did say that Johnson’s agent, Bill Duffy, was swamped by teams wondering what it would take to pry him loose. Houston and San Antonio, in particular, made hard plays for Johnson, who eventually signed a three-year contract that will put him back on the market as a 23-year-old, five-year veteran.

It’s possible that Johnson will become the first player to whom Dumars offers a maximum contract, but the Pistons should be well-positioned that summer to do whatever it takes to keep Johnson in Detroit. Johnson’s play this summer – a one-game stint in the Las Vegas Summer League after signing his contract, then his showing at Tim Grgurich’s weeklong camp in Vegas for NBA players – has NBA insiders convinced he’s close to being an impact player.



Rasheed Wallace – Wallace might not have lost quite as much weight as the 30 pounds or so Jason Maxiell dropped, but he’s dropped a good 25 since the season ended and looked great in workouts last week at the practice facility. Every bit as encouraging to Dumars is how Wallace has continued to take an active leadership role by helping steward the Pistons’ young players. Dumars told me that Wallace, Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Billups have all reached out to the young players this summer and that the veterans seem energized at the prospect of young blood entering the mix after several seasons of sameness.


It will be the results, not the projections, on which Joe Dumars ultimately judges the productivity of his summer. But it’s been a summer that at least has the Pistons eager for the winter to arrive.

Matt
09-18-2007, 09:59 AM
It’s possible that Johnson will become the first player to whom Dumars offers a maximum contract

jeez, the pistons hype machine needs to notch it down a bit.

Amir is athletic, but considering this is supposed to be his breakout year, i still think he's too raw offensively. from what i've seen, he still doesn't have a go-to move and still relies on put backs. from what i saw in vegas (in his one game) all of his offense was from tip dunks in transition. the one time he was isolated in the post (against some summer league scrub), he put up an ugly looking shot. he can handle the ball well for a big man and runs up and down the floor like a guard......but a max player? show me a consistent jumpshot before he's on the level of Kobe, lol.

Wilfredo Ledezma
09-18-2007, 10:29 AM
Man, that article has me counting down the days til' Opening Night. With the Wolverines already in the toilet, and the Tigers likely to miss out on the postseason, I cannot wait to see how this years team will look...

Fool
09-18-2007, 12:03 PM
We should totally bank on giving a max contract to a dude who's "close to being an impact player."

Glenn
09-18-2007, 12:05 PM
Don’t overlook Arron Afflalo, whose tenacity will become contagious.

Vinny
09-18-2007, 12:31 PM
Man, that article has me counting down the days til' Opening Night. With the Wolverines already in the toilet, and the Tigers likely to miss out on the postseason, I cannot wait to see how this years team will look...

This should help get Langlois a contract extension at least.

metr0man
09-18-2007, 02:49 PM
A whole lotta spin there. the same stuff we hear every year to assure us, THIS year, we won't make the mistakes of years past.

Hey, after all, they been there before. They know what to do. They're built on defense. They have poise under pressure. and so forth (while neglecting to mention that all that stuff is referring to teams in the LB-era)

Joe Asberry
09-19-2007, 07:59 AM
It works for me, i am getting excited again about this team, i know its all hype and bogus, but i can't help myself....btw can someone post the ESPN mag story about Joe D?

Wilfredo Ledezma
09-19-2007, 08:26 AM
I find it hard to believe Afflalo will get serious minutes this year...I can almost see him spending most of the season in the D League...what do you guys think?

I don't know if I can tolerate another year of Ronald Murray...

yargs
09-19-2007, 11:07 AM
No way Afflalo plays in the d-league. He's much too good and "nba-ready" to run with the garbage that plays in the d-league. It's just a matter of time before he becomes a consistent part of the rotation.

And dare I say (gasp!) that there's still a chance he may actually turn out to be a better player than Stuckey? Neither are locks to be serviceable NBA players but at least Afflalo has excelled at a much higher level of competition in comparison to stuckey and was the best player on an extremely successful team.

Stuckey was only good enough to lead his team to .500 against shitty competition. Rarely do you see a guy that was the best player on a bad team do well in the NBA. Can anyone name one?

Zekyl
09-19-2007, 11:33 AM
Rodney White?

Glenn
09-19-2007, 11:39 AM
David Robinson

yargs
09-19-2007, 12:04 PM
David Robinson

Wrong answer. David Robinson's Navy team not only was very good but made it to the NCAAs 3 straight years (and actually made the elite 8). I believe this was the last time they even sniffed the tourney.

David Robinson made his teams very, very good.

Glenn
09-19-2007, 12:17 PM
Okay. Thought I'd give it a shot and was too lazy to research if it was a good guess or not.

Your point is valid, yargs.

Not many great players on piss poor teams because if they were indeed great, their teams wouldn't be piss poor.

Ifyouknowhatimean.

Hermy
09-19-2007, 12:47 PM
Joe Dumars.

Fool
09-19-2007, 01:04 PM
Shit. Hermy wins.

Ben Wallace.

Dennis Rodman.

Vinnie Johnson.

Do you see a theme here?

Bruce Bowen maybe (I assume he was the best player on Cal Fullerton. Actually I assume he was the only player on Cal Fullerton)

yargs
09-19-2007, 01:08 PM
Joe Dumars.


A very good guess but I'm still going to disagree. His team had a winning record (18-10) and came in second place to Louisiana Tech.

Louisina Tech was led by some guy named Karl Malone, only the greatest power forward ever. Coming in second to Karl is nothing to be ashamed of.

Hermy
09-19-2007, 01:13 PM
A very good guess but I'm still going to disagree. His team had a winning record (18-10) and came in second place to Louisiana Tech.

Louisina Tech was led by some guy named Karl Malone, only the greatest power forward ever. Coming in second to Karl is nothing to be ashamed of.


Fair, I just knew he never played in the tourney depite playing D1 all 4 years. Not sure what McNeese did when Joe was just a fresh/soph which is what we would be comparing to Stuckey.

yargs
09-19-2007, 01:33 PM
Fair, I just knew he never played in the tourney depite playing D1 all 4 years. Not sure what McNeese did when Joe was just a fresh/soph which is what we would be comparing to Stuckey.

A very valid point and something I may have to research. But then again that brings up the debate of whether or not a sophmore in 2007 means as much as it did in 1985 when people actually stayed in school until they were seniors (meaning joe d. was lining up against upper classmen as a soph. while stuckey was playing against underclassmen). Or is that point moot since people don't leave school from Eastern Washington's conference and he was actually playing against upperclassmen. An interesting perspecitve I hadn't thought of.

Regardless, I am a bit disconcerted about Stuckey's inability to lead a winning team in college. Either that means he's not really that good or the rest of his teammates really, really suck.

Fool
09-19-2007, 01:52 PM
OIC, the teams has to do bad. Not just be bad.

Hermy
09-19-2007, 01:54 PM
A very valid point and something I may have to research. But then again that brings up the debate of whether or not a sophmore in 2007 means as much as it did in 1985 when people actually stayed in school until they were seniors (meaning joe d. was lining up against upper classmen as a soph. while stuckey was playing against underclassmen). Or is that point moot since people don't leave school from Eastern Washington's conference and he was actually playing against upperclassmen. An interesting perspecitve I hadn't thought of.




I had the exact same thought process concerning new NCAA vs. crappy conf.
Also keep in mind that with camps these days, HS kids are much more ready to play at a high level entering any college than they were in 1980, so the whole parallel is a bit rough to start with.

Anyway, I think that at least for now I won't concern myself too much since all we need off the bench is a volume scorer, and that's not necessarily a single handed winning attribute even at a crappy college. It's 6 years down the line when we expect him to be a ;leader on the team that his ability to transform a team will be revealed.