Mouth Hart has now guaranteed a victory over ND. Considering the predicament UM football is in right now, I think it wiser to just shut the fuck up and work on getting their collective head out of their collective ass. Hart is going to become a very divisive figure on that team before the year is over. He should spend less time running his mouth, less time riding the bike and more time playing hard and being a team mate. The kid is turning into a mouthy little punk.

your going by "the kid" now too?

Mouth Hart has now guaranteed a victory over ND. Considering the predicament UM football is in right now, I think it wiser to just shut the fuck up and work on getting their collective head out of their collective ass. Hart is going to become a very divisive figure on that team before the year is over. He should spend less time running his mouth, less time riding the bike and more time playing hard and being a team mate. The kid is turning into a mouthy little punk.

A)Take your own advice
B) You should know

LOL This guy has such a inferiority complex that he can only talk about UofM.

I'm pretty sure he is a closet UofM fan.

well, his own rules address that. i think along with inferiority complex and closet uofm fan, you need to throw in "self loathing" somewhere.

I'm guessing that along with his imaginary MSU degrees, he has an actual UM degree, but his anti Lloyd agenda has turned him schizophrenic. Posing as a Spartie to rip UM fans he thinks love Lloyd.
This is a problem in non Walmart Wolverine world, and it requires a cogent examination of bukdow types so they not only don't hurt themselves, but they spare the people around them (like their fellow inmates and the warden and the trusty's)

I am correct and you vaginas know it. That is why you are menstruating all over the thread. You guys are hilarious. Thanks for being dorks.

Okay, maybe the way that the original post was worded wasn't the best. But the topic is a good one. So lets see if we can turn this into a decent discussion. Mike Hart is starting to lose it in my opinion. I've never liked his mouth and attitude, but always gave him credit for being a workhorse and leader.

He did not act like a leader yesterday. He was yelling at teammates, showing his frustration waaaay too much, and just adding to the drama. In addition, this kid is hurt like every 6-7 plays. It is ridiculous. I think he needs to shut up and lead by example a little more.

His guarantee for next week was poor judgement and poor timing. Just ridiculous.

Here are quotes from the Chicago Tribune. Lloyd`s response to Hart`s guarantee is sad. Lloyd is a broken man. Hart is not only a cancer, he is disgracing his coach. Looks like Hart thinks he is the coach. Unbelievable.

"We're going to win next week," Hart said. "There's no question in my mind. I guarantee we will win next week. I'm going to get this team ready. Guaranteed."

But the team might be without Henne, whom Carr said is "very doubtful" after getting knocked out of Saturday's game with an unspecified lower leg injury.

Freshman Ryan Mallett replaced him, completing just 6 of 17 passes while getting sacked twice.

After delivering his guarantee, Hart was asked, "What if you don't have Chad?"

Hart laughed, breaking the tension.

"Hmmm . . . that's a different game plan," he replied. "We're going to win, though. I think Ryan can get the job done."

Carr's response to the guarantee?

"He said it," Carr replied. "So we have to back him up now, I guess."

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Okay, maybe the way that the original post was worded wasn't the best. But the topic is a good one. So lets see if we can turn this into a decent discussion. Mike Hart is starting to lose it in my opinion. I've never liked his mouth and attitude, but always gave him credit for being a workhorse and leader.

He did not act like a leader yesterday. He was yelling at teammates, showing his frustration waaaay too much, and just adding to the drama. In addition, this kid is hurt like every 6-7 plays. It is ridiculous. I think he needs to shut up and lead by example a little more.

His guarantee for next week was poor judgement and poor timing. Just ridiculous.

I would agree, Tre, and alot of UM'ers know it. Hart, in my opinion, needs to be sat down for the next game because of his antics.

I would agree, Tre, and alot of UM'ers know it. Hart, in my opinion, needs to be sat down for the next game because of his antics.
See, Zippy, you can do it.

See, Zippy, you can do it.
Thanks Joel.

also, in related news, michigan lost and lloyd continues to live, breath, and eat! whats the deal lloyd, no hunger strikes?

all this thread shows is how pathetic buckdow is. one thread about harts guarantee, another one about lloyds (non) response. msu is 2-0 and buckdow is more worried about lloyd's dental hygiene. nice job justifying the inferiority complex, little brother, etc that sparty is constantly labeled with.

but its ME who is arrogant because i laugh at little lap dogs like buckdow. whatever.

also, in related news, michigan lost and lloyd continues to live, breath, and eat! whats the deal lloyd, no hunger strikes?

all this thread shows is how pathetic buckdow is. one thread about harts guarantee, another one about lloyds (non) response. msu is 2-0 and buckdow is more worried about lloyd's dental hygiene. nice job justifying the inferiority complex, little brother, etc that sparty is constantly labeled with.

but its ME who is arrogant because i laugh at little lap dogs like buckdow. whatever.
Hart says, "I am going to get this team ready. Guaranteed." and Lloyd says, "He said it, so we have to back him up now, I guess." "I guess"?! Sounds to me like Hart thinks he runs this team and Lloyd is allowing it. Like I said Hart is a cancer. He might just get his block knocked off by his own teammates if he gets them a little "too ready."

No Quarter?/////

Quit being such a douche-bag, bukdow.

I'm lazy, and you're making me merge and swat threads. Stop.

[QUOTE=-NoQuarter-]Quit being such a douche-bag, bukdow.

I'm lazy, and you're making me merge and swat threads. Stop.

Just reporting the latest on UM for those super-fans who can`t get enough of their team.

Fuck off.

:emo kid:

Fuck off.

It's so cute when 4th graders learn how to swear!
Baby steps, bukdow, baby steps. Start with "Damn" or "hell". Then try "shit".
The "F Bomb" is obviously a little too heavy for you right now.

Hart says, "I am going to get this team ready. Guaranteed." and Lloyd says, "He said it, so we have to back him up now, I guess." "I guess"?! Sounds to me like Hart thinks he runs this team and Lloyd is allowing it. Like I said Hart is a cancer. He might just get his block knocked off by his own teammates if he gets them a little "too ready."

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:emo kid:
I understand your dislike of merging (hiding) threads. Just want to keep the blue minions abreast on the latest on their team they stand behind, come hell or high water.

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Why does my post make me a Bichon Frise?

I understand your dislike of merging (hiding) threads. Just want to keep the blue minions abreast on the latest on their team they stand behind, come hell or high water.

Then do that in one thread devoted to your too much free time. They can still see it, even if it's not spread out over 15 different threads.

I love watching the pleather crowd melt down. All of you meatheads ganging up on me is too funny. I am stuffing UM right up your ass and you can`t stand it. Don`t worry there is always the Yankees or the Lakers or the Colts you people can latch onto.

All of you meatheads ganging up on me.

ROTFLMAO Poor lil boy. Don't stir up the hornets nest dip shit. You called us out, now you can't handle it. Poor lil boy.

ROTFLMAO Poor lil boy. Don't stir up the hornets nest dip shit. You called us out, now you can't handle it. Poor lil boy.
Hornets (sic) nest? More like a nest a lady bugs. I laugh at you losers. I laugh in your fraudulent, wannabe, bandwagon faces.

Goodbye for now so you can go wipe your eyes of tears after being gang banged.

also, in related news, michigan lost and lloyd continues to live, breath, and eat! whats the deal lloyd, no hunger strikes?

all this thread shows is how pathetic buckdow is. one thread about harts guarantee, another one about lloyds (non) response. msu is 2-0 and buckdow is more worried about lloyd's dental hygiene. nice job justifying the inferiority complex, little brother, etc that sparty is constantly labeled with.

but its ME who is arrogant because i laugh at little lap dogs like buckdow. whatever.

Discussing whether or not Hart is doing the right things as a leader or becoming a problem is quite justifiable and a good topic for this forum.

You are just pissed off like last week. Looks like you are now the little brother 0-2.

Bukdow, I like the trash talk and the heat you bring. However, make sure you are discussing and not just flaming because that's the stuff that ruins the forum and turns it into terrordome.

Let it be known that I couldn't give a Darko Milicic about U of M sports.

I have no loyalties in this crap. You guys have at it, but bukdow, you need to learn how to go about it the right way.

Fuck a Bukdow.

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Discussing whether or not Hart is doing the right things as a leader or becoming a problem is quite justifiable and a good topic for this forum.

You are just pissed off like last week. Looks like you are now the little brother 0-2.

Bukdow, I like the trash talk and the heat you bring. However, make sure you are discussing and not just flaming because that's the stuff that ruins the forum and turns it into terrordome.

This cocksucker has never talked trash, Tre. It's waaaayy to late to warn him about not just flaming. bukdow is open season. You want to align yourself with a troll, you'll be in the crosshairs yourself.

Bukdow will take a somewhat valid point - i.e. Mike Hart seems like a bitch, as he is injured all the time and talks all the shit in the world(though not a very popular opinion, there is reason that some could think that), and then fuck it up beyond all recognition with little UM digs.

Pick one battle at a time there Bukdow, and you might not get hated by everyone. Have a Walmart Wolvie thread, a fuck Mike Hart thread, and a HaHa, Appy State thread.. Don't put them into one. You come off like a whiny bitch.

And some of your points are indefensible. I like MSU, and never went there. My parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents, and cousins did; and I grew up watching and going to their games. The 'Walmart Wolvie' point refers to trash talk about academics. You can't hype academics and the "It's all right, it's OK, you're gonna pump our gas someday" type shit if you didn't go there. You can talk shit about the teams, because you are a fan, and only a fan. Otherwise there would be no reason to have pro sports.

You can have good points, but every post doesn't need a dig at UM. Let them wallow in their own sorrow, then when they try talking shit in the future, rip them. Don't start fights all the time, that is the job of a punk. Finish fights, that is the job of a man.

Fuck a Bukdow.

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oh my.

The problem is, Mike Hart isn't a problem. He yacks a little bit too much, which of course the Sparties hate because he's not a Sparty. He has nothing wrong with his game, his toughness, his attitude, or his durability.
It's a lame ass argument and thread from the get go.

Fuck a Bukdow.

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OMFG...Denny McLain for emperor of the friggin Universe or something.

Lloyd's got 99 problems but Mike Hart isn't one of them.

The problem is, Mike Hart isn't a problem. He yacks a little bit too much, which of course the Sparties hate because he's not a Sparty. He has nothing wrong with his game, his toughness, his attitude, or his durability.
It's a lame ass argument and thread from the get go.

That's your opinion. I believe a very inaccurate one. Doesn't have durability issues? Are you kidding? He's been injured every single year, missed games, and has missed time in both games this season. If that isn't an issue I don't know what is.

Doesn't have an attitude problem? I disagree with that as well. Yelling at teammates which was more than just motivational, signaling for a sub to get off the field which was sent in by a coach, being benched for an extended period of time which was rumored to be discipline, not just injury in the first game, guaranteeing victory after being losing by 30 at home, slamming his helmet on the ground as he walked off the field after one play, I think there are all kinds of attitude issues there.

That's your opinion. I believe a very inaccurate one. Doesn't have durability issues? Are you kidding? He's been injured every single year, missed games, and has missed time in both games this season. If that isn't an issue I don't know what is.

Doesn't have an attitude problem? I disagree with that as well. Yelling at teammates which was more than just motivational, signaling for a sub to get off the field which was sent in by a coach, being benched for an extended period of time which was rumored to be discipline, not just injury in the first game, guaranteeing victory after being losing by 30 at home, slamming his helmet on the ground as he walked off the field after one play, I think there are all kinds of attitude issues there.

OK, you're going to classify him as a problem based on one sequence of actions and then guaranteeing a victory. That is bias talking.

As for durablility and missing games every year, he gained over 1400 yards as a freshman, and either wasn;t injured or played hurt. He suffered the "High ankle sprain" as a sophomore, and had a disappointing season, but played hurt against Sparty and rushed for over 200 yards.
As a junior, either didn;t miss games or played hurt and gained over 1400 yards. So far this season has 300 yards in two games and hasn't missed any action.
Take a look at his career, and not through your petulant anti Michigan bias, and you;ll see a guy who is about 5'7, coming from a secondary high school class in upstate New York surprising MANY people and being on the verge of 4000 yards rushing in a career that has been marred by all of TWO lost fumbles along the way.
You gotta go a different direction on this one rather than lapping up crumbs from bukdows table.

Apparantly you didn't watch last season because he was in and out of many games hurt. Played in them, but missed important stretches at times. Apparantly you didn't watch the App. St. game because he missed the TONS of time and that is when App. St. opened up the score.

I never said he wasn't great. I'd love to have his TALENT on my squad. The fact that he still can put up numbers despite missing time is impressive. But I remember many people here ripping Stanton for being injury prone. Well, Hart is in the same situation. He's limping off the field every 6-7 plays and that's not bias talkings, it's fact. If he comes back in fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt his team when Minor and Carlos come in and fumble. Oh did you forget about those plays? Both major plays. Hart went out with an injury, they came in and gave up the football. Bias? Nope.

I'm sorry if you don't agree but his actions on Saturday were a problem for me. They didn't reflect a captain in my opinion. I think he goes overboard with what he says and does.

Yeah, its only Spartan fans that see hart as a problem.

"That can't happen," Palmer said. "This isn't the same Michigan team we've seen in the past, and this offense can't afford to make mistakes and rely on this Michigan defense. As I watched the whole (Oregon) game, the whole thing seemed to unravel and then Chad Henne gets hurt, Mike Hart gets dinged up. They have a lot of problems protecting the quarterback right now, and even in the Appalachian State game Chad Henne had a hard time getting balls off. And then there's Hart in huddle (during the Oregon game) screaming at his linemen, and you wonder what's going on behind the scenes.

This thread is what in the political world they call the "concern troll." Here's how you become a concern troll:

1. You try to make yourself seem unbiased, when you're obviously biased.
2. You point out something that "could be a big problem" for an organization you really wish would just die and go away anyway.
3. ...
4. Profit!

You can do this by, for example, being a Republican and talking about the problems of the NAACP, or by being a Democrat and talking about how the Right-to-Life committee is becoming dangerously irrelevant, or by being Bukdow and talking about how Mike Hart is obnoxious.

Don't act concerned when you couldn't care less.

LOL @ quoting Jesse freaking Palmer.

And while Palmer makes some cogent statements in there, if a captain of the UM football team sat by idly whilst getting their asses handed to them, then THAT would be a problem.

Apparantly you didn't watch last season because he was in and out of many games hurt. Played in them, but missed important stretches at times. Apparantly you didn't watch the App. St. game because he missed the TONS of time and that is when App. St. opened up the score.

I never said he wasn't great. I'd love to have his TALENT on my squad. The fact that he still can put up numbers despite missing time is impressive. But I remember many people here ripping Stanton for being injury prone. Well, Hart is in the same situation. He's limping off the field every 6-7 plays and that's not bias talkings, it's fact. If he comes back in fine, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt his team when Minor and Carlos come in and fumble. Oh did you forget about those plays? Both major plays. Hart went out with an injury, they came in and gave up the football. Bias? Nope.

I'm sorry if you don't agree but his actions on Saturday were a problem for me. They didn't reflect a captain in my opinion. I think he goes overboard with what he says and does.

I believe you purport to be a teacher, an educator. Do you teach your students to nit pick information, to NOT examine things as a whole, and to make statements that are generalizations and absolutely NOT based on fact?
You can't support the statement that Hart limps off the filed "every 6-7 plays" any more than bukdow can support his imaginary degrees from MSU. You can't support the statement that Hart and Stanton are in the same situation, because they aren't. Lastly, don't invoke the name of Drew "Their uniforms remind me of puke" Stanton who accomplished SHIT at MSU and is now on IR with Detroit.
Also, only a fool blames Hart for going out on two plays in which the team has to substitute a guy who fumbles. You are cherry picking information to back up your pointless accusations.
In and out of many games "hurt" last season? LAST SEASON? They were cruising along at an 11-0 clip LAST season, dolt. How many of those were "breathers" or "rests" that might not have occurred if the games were in doubt?
I didn't know you were in with Lloyd and Co, and knew if, when, and why Hart left a game over the course of his career.
Oh, I also didn't know that Hart was a vital part of UM's defense that couldn't stop Apple State or Oregon.

I believe you purport to be a teacher, an educator. Do you teach your students to nit pick information, to NOT examine things as a whole, and to make statements that are generalizations and absolutely NOT based on fact?
You can't support the statement that Hart limps off the filed "every 6-7 plays" any more than bukdow can support his imaginary degrees from MSU. You can't support the statement that Hart and Stanton are in the same situation, because they aren't. Lastly, don't invoke the name of Drew "Their uniforms remind me of puke" Stanton who accomplished SHIT at MSU and is now on IR with Detroit.
Also, only a fool blames Hart for going out on two plays in which the team has to substitute a guy who fumbles. You are cherry picking information to back up your pointless accusations.
In and out of many games "hurt" last season? LAST SEASON? They were cruising along at an 11-0 clip LAST season, dolt. How many of those were "breathers" or "rests" that might not have occurred if the games were in doubt?
I didn't know you were in with Lloyd and Co, and knew if, when, and why Hart left a game over the course of his career.
Oh, I also didn't know that Hart was a vital part of UM's defense that couldn't stop Apple State or Oregon.
He is a vital part of their offense that put up a whopping 7 points against Oregon.

Did someone just say something?
I didn't think so.

Did someone just say something?
I didn't think so.
UM scored 7 whopping points against Oregon which allowed, I believe, 24 against Houston the week prior. Mike Hart is the crux of the offense and has 300 yards in two games (very impressive). So, why only 7 points?

To make you happy?

Zip, if you don't know that Hart limps off the field 2-3 times a game with an injury, then you absolutely do not watch Michigan football. I actually seriously question it when you failed to even acknowledge the fact that he missed half the game against App. St. That isn't made up shit my friend, try watching and you'll see he continuously gets hurt.

Stanton didn't accomplish shit you say? You are right. Well, since Hart has never won a bowl game, never beaten his biggest rival in Ohio State, and never won a National Title playing for what is believed to be an Elite program, then I guess that puts him dangerously close to not accomplishing shit.

There are times, Tre, when you start off on bad ground, and end up in quicksand. This is one of them. Now it's 2-3 times per game?
You need to quit trying to make sense out of this argument. You need to just man up and say, "OK, Mike Hart went to Michigan, and has had alot of success, and has made me look like a dipshit, because I told everyone he'd suck" and then finish it off with the real truth: Hart still sucks because he went to Michigan.
Don't try to push the Hart hasn't done shit argument by trying to define the argument. Stanton was 10-12 as a starter, and never had a big moment at State. It wasn;t all his fault, because Smiff didn;t have a defense around him. But nevertheless, Hart's career dwarfs that of Stanton. Hart, by the way, is a running back. Much less influence on a game than the QB (why do I have to teach you so much?).
Tre, this argument is OVER. Hart isn't a problem, and you and bukdow can hole up together in your secluded grotto where you make love and he continues to feed you ideas that are easy to reduce to a pile of ashes.

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PS:
Tre, you better get out of bukdow's jock while you have a semblance of credibility left. I'm gonna take off my gloves on yer ass unless you can do something besides tea bag that ass clown.

I can't believe it took me so long to care about the NCAA forum. All the best threads are in here.

PS:
Tre, you better get out of bukdow's jock while you have a semblance of credibility left. I'm gonna take off my gloves on yer ass unless you can do something besides tea bag that ass clown.

Seconded.

The next cartoon will be a treehouse, Sunday morning, with Tre and Buk sacked in nice and snuggly after a hard night of anal mischief.

Don't make me do it, Tre......

Please...make me do it.

There are times, Tre, when you start off on bad ground, and end up in quicksand. This is one of them. Now it's 2-3 times per game?
You need to quit trying to make sense out of this argument. You need to just man up and say, "OK, Mike Hart went to Michigan, and has had alot of success, and has made me look like a dipshit, because I told everyone he'd suck" and then finish it off with the real truth: Hart still sucks because he went to Michigan.
Don't try to push the Hart hasn't done shit argument by trying to define the argument. Stanton was 10-12 as a starter, and never had a big moment at State. It wasn;t all his fault, because Smiff didn;t have a defense around him. But nevertheless, Hart's career dwarfs that of Stanton. Hart, by the way, is a running back. Much less influence on a game than the QB (why do I have to teach you so much?).
Tre, this argument is OVER. Hart isn't a problem, and you and bukdow can hole up together in your secluded grotto where you make love and he continues to feed you ideas that are easy to reduce to a pile of ashes.

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Seems to me you are full of shit. Let me refresh your memory. Here is how you responded to the notion that Mike Hart`s behavior after the Oregon game was less than "captain-like":

"I would agree, Tre, and alot of UM'ers know it. Hart, in my opinion, needs to be sat down for the next game because of his antics."

Zippy Shitface

Did somebody say something?
I didn't think so.

In college a RB can have the same if not more impact than a QB. Running QB trumps RB trumps QB IMO.

Stanton wasn't perfect, he was a leader, and gave it all. He also tried to do too much, and would make bad reads. He also messed with our offense due to the continous battle with injuries. He was a person for future Spartans to remember and respect, if not completely emulate. The same comment could be made about Hart.

Hart talks trash like he plays for Miami. He is good enough he can generally pull it off. However, he is injury prone, and is overly emotional(part of his success vs. MSU, where high = higher = higherer; and his being out of control vs. Oregon). He nonetheless is a leader of UM this year.

I personally am a much bigger fan of the quiet leader than talker, but that goes back to the PSU/Miami championship.

But Zip, please realize, we know Hart is good, and would kill for UM's record the past 5 years. That doesn't mean UM is perfect. Institutional control seems horrid at the moment. MSU will get better, and if only be default, UM worse.

Did somebody say something?
I didn't think so.
Just pointing out one of your many gross inconsistencies.

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See post #50. This thread was a waste from the start.
Let me axe you Sparties something: Are ya lip readers? Do you actually KNOW what he's saying when he's yakking on the field?
Now I KNOW Hart is the ONLIEST player in the whole wide world who's yakking it up on the field, and of course, a Sparty would never talk trash.
It still isn't a problem, and you girls are
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The reason Carlos Brown was in the game against Oregon when he fumbled was because Hart was running roughshod over the Oregon D and needed a breather.

Hart is not the problem. Should he have yelled at his lineman like that, probably not. But it shows that he is still fighting when half the team gave up or seems like.

In college a RB can have the same if not more impact than a QB. Running QB trumps RB trumps QB IMO.

Stanton wasn't perfect, he was a leader, and gave it all. He also tried to do too much, and would make bad reads. He also messed with our offense due to the continous battle with injuries. He was a person for future Spartans to remember and respect, if not completely emulate. The same comment could be made about Hart.

Hart talks trash like he plays for Miami. He is good enough he can generally pull it off. However, he is injury prone, and is overly emotional(part of his success vs. MSU, where high = higher = higherer; and his being out of control vs. Oregon). He nonetheless is a leader of UM this year.

I personally am a much bigger fan of the quiet leader than talker, but that goes back to the PSU/Miami championship.

But Zip, please realize, we know Hart is good, and would kill for UM's record the past 5 years. That doesn't mean UM is perfect. Institutional control seems horrid at the moment. MSU will get better, and if only be default, UM worse.

EXACTLY!

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See post #50. This thread was a waste from the start.
Let me axe you Sparties something: Are ya lip readers? Do you actually KNOW what he's saying when he's yakking on the field?
Now I KNOW Hart is the ONLIEST player in the whole wide world who's yakking it up on the field, and of course, a Sparty would never talk trash.
It still isn't a problem, and you girls are
DISMISSED


Good God, talk about dillusional! Yeah, I'm sure he's offering up good wishes to his opposition out there Zippy. You are falling off in this thread. BTW, don't lump me with Bukdow. I feel his Spartan pride, however I've also tried to keep him in check and I would think that would be appreciated so ZIP it.

DSC:
See post #50. This thread was a waste from the start.
Let me axe you Sparties something: Are ya lip readers? Do you actually KNOW what he's saying when he's yakking on the field?
Now I KNOW Hart is the ONLIEST player in the whole wide world who's yakking it up on the field, and of course, a Sparty would never talk trash.
It still isn't a problem, and you girls are
DISMISSED

Seems to me you are full of shit. Let me refresh your memory. Here is how you responded to the notion that Mike Hart`s behavior after the Oregon game was less than "captain-like":

"I would agree, Tre, and alot of UM'ers know it. Hart, in my opinion, needs to be sat down for the next game because of his antics."

Zippy Shitface

Video. (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=17830998)

If the MSU fans that are trashing Hart could suspend their biases for 5 minutes and watch this video from after the Oregon loss, then I can't see any way that they wouldn't want this guy leading their team.

You can say what you want about Hart's NFL potential, but from what I have seen and heard from him, he's going to be very successful in life, no matter what he ends up doing. I honestly believe that. He seems very driven and intelligent. That's a good combination.

Video. (http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=17830998)

If the MSU fans that are trashing Hart could suspend their biases for 5 minutes and watch this video from after the Oregon loss, then I can't see any way that they wouldn't want this guy leading their team.

You can say what you want about Hart's NFL potential, but from what I have seen and heard from him, he's going to be very successful in life, no matter what he ends up doing. I honestly believe that. He seems very driven and intelligent. That's a good combination.

Dude is delusional. His passion is overriding his better judgement.

It's not intelligent to say some of the things that he's saying.

It's like when Roy Williams guaranteed a victory last year. Of course they're competitors and they know that the need to win is paramount but here's no good reason to say that to the media. Like the team needs MORE pressure added to their shoulders. You just don't say crap that and call out your opponent and give them bulletin board material when your team is playing like pissed on horse shit.

A good captain would've kept things behind closed doors and if he truly questioned their heart and preparation the past two weeks then he should've called out his team to their faces, in the lockerroom.

But just like with the Jim Harbaugh saga, he let his emotions get the better of him and he spoke and acted with his heart instead of with his head. It's both a strength as well as a weakness of his. As a competitor, it's a strength...as a leader, it's a weakness.

I LOVE the moralizing that Sparties whip out on us when it comes to Michigan, and the excuse making machines they become when it's MSU.

I LOVE the moralizing that Sparties whip out on us when it comes to Michigan, and the excuse making machines they become when it's MSU.

WE make excuses? Crowned field, kept us on the bus too long, clock stopped early, etc. etc. I'm laughing.


BTW, for all of the UMers that claim I make giant generalizations about UM fans here...go ahead and read the last couple of pages HYPOCRITES.

I like how Glenn, Zip, and Co. claim we are biased when criticizing Hart. Yet it is NOT bias when they defend him. Nice logic.

JackTalkTai put it perfectly. He's a terrific player, he's a leader, yet he has some major weaknesses. He runs his mouth too often and lets his emotions get the best of him. He's made some mistakes in his actions and words in the last couple of weeks because of this weakness. That's all we are saying.

How can you get so defensive about that? Do you want your leader throwing his helmet, screaming at his line in front of everybody instead of saying it the right way, and guaranteeing victory when the team needs less pressure, not more? But WE (generalization) are all biased, not you.

Did somebody just say something?
I didn't think so.

Of course we are all biased, I didn't say otherwise.

I said, set "suspend your bias" in other words, pretend it's a Spartan showing that much passion and then tell me that you would want your team captain to be the same way.

Just picture him as a football player, not a Wolverine.

"Biased" isn't a put down (in this case), it's reality.

Are you seriously trying to reason with the Sparties?

I try about once a week.

It's a feeble attempt to try and have some intelligent NCAA conversation around here, kind of a pet project of mine.

I'll probably give up soon.

Glenn, that's why I've said that he is a leader and terrific player. I also said that I'd love to have him. Criticizing recent comments and actions doesn't mean we think the guy is horrible. Just means that we don't agree with what he has said and done lately. I actually believe I'm being extremely unbiased in this situation because it's not something I'm so wrapped up in I can't see through unbiased eyes and I've repeatedly pointed out the positives and negatives of Mike Hart. Not acknowledging the fact that he has made some mistakes is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

This thread is what in the political world they call the "concern troll." Here's how you become a concern troll:

1. You try to make yourself seem unbiased, when you're obviously biased.
2. You point out something that "could be a big problem" for an organization you really wish would just die and go away anyway.
3. ...
4. Profit!

You can do this by, for example, being a Republican and talking about the problems of the NAACP, or by being a Democrat and talking about how the Right-to-Life committee is becoming dangerously irrelevant, or by being Bukdow and talking about how Mike Hart is obnoxious.

Don't act concerned when you couldn't care less.

I meant to comment on this when I first read it, but I forgot to.

Swami is very wise, almost cogent-like.

While the UM faithful has accused the Spartans here of being biased and inventing a problem, apparantly Jim Rome is on the Spartan's side.

Today on "Rome is Burning" Jim Rome ripped Mike Hart. Ripped him as a leader saying way to dig your cleats in when the team needs you. He said guaranteeing victory against an 0-2 opponent after you were just embarrassed in ridiculous. Also said, "Is this what it is coming to Mike Hart? Guaranteeing victory over 0-2 opponents? Why don't you guarantee something that actually means something?" Then proceeded to tell him that he sounded ridiculous and asked him where he was when his team needed him.

I loved it. Oh, he also ripped Michigan prior to ripping Mike Hart. He asked the question, "So this was your bounce back game? A 30 point loss in your own house? Nothing like letting the guests come in, stomp on your beer, make a mess of things, and have their way with your girlfriend."

I love how the Wolverine fans will join up and attempt to make it appear like they are right and all of the Spartans are just dillutional fans that are haters. Well, Wolvies...looks like those outside of Michigan might just see it our way.

Wow. And it's come to this?

I've stayed out of this thread because of it's stupidity but that response is probably the most juvenile thing I have seen in a while, Tre.

"Jim Rome agrees with me so I'm right. NA NA NA! AND HE ALSO MADE FUN OF MICHIGAN!"

Dude, come on.


(And you're basing it on Rome? The dude bitches about anything he can think of. I'm sure if Mike Hart called in he would say "Mike, great to have you on the show! Man that guarantee took some balls - Props Mike! How does it feel to be the heart and sole of Michigan Football?")

If the UMers want to make it out like we are the minority simply trying to pick on Michigan, then of course I will pass on words from Rome. Prove we're right? Not necessarily. Prove that maybe we aren't the minority and others see it our way? Yup.

RE: UofM fans

I think we've pretty much taken on the chin. We've ripped our teams play and coach up one side and down the other. So I'm not buying all this UofM fans are any different than any other school (other than we are smarter and better looking).

One poster said maybe this wasn't as big of an upset as it looks it Ap St runs the board and UofM goes .500, but that wasn't good enough for one spurty. Its like the only thing he'd accept is a disassociation from the school. Good luck with that btw.

So theres my sort of a rambling 2 cents post.

DSC:
See post #50. This thread was a waste from the start.
Let me axe you Sparties something: Are ya lip readers? Do you actually KNOW what he's saying when he's yakking on the field?
Now I KNOW Hart is the ONLIEST player in the whole wide world who's yakking it up on the field, and of course, a Sparty would never talk trash.
It still isn't a problem, and you girls are
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My post was in response to that one. Pointing out the flaws in your argument.

If the UMers want to make it out like we are the minority simply trying to pick on Michigan, then of course I will pass on words from Rome. Prove we're right? Not necessarily. Prove that maybe we aren't the minority and others see it our way? Yup.

What does it prove? What could it possibly change in a Michigan fan, and why would we give a fuck? We don't need Jim Rome to validate us.
We don't carry the Sparty Inferiority Complex that makes us lie about going to school there, or have an orgasm when someone agrees with what we say.
People don't like Mike Hart? Fine. He came to UM and put up nasty numbers and will leave a legacy that many young men can emulate, and will.
Meanwhile, Sparty fans will continue to infest chatboards with irrational behavior, generalized insinuations that would astound the National Enquirer, make believe college degrees, lies, half truths, and hypocrisy. And all this while being the guardians of this nation's Moral Compass.

Glenn, that's why I've said that he is a leader and terrific player. I also said that I'd love to have him. Criticizing recent comments and actions doesn't mean we think the guy is horrible. Just means that we don't agree with what he has said and done lately. I actually believe I'm being extremely unbiased in this situation because it's not something I'm so wrapped up in I can't see through unbiased eyes and I've repeatedly pointed out the positives and negatives of Mike Hart. Not acknowledging the fact that he has made some mistakes is pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

And hopping on them like they're bukdow's dong up your ass is even more ridiculous.

How about this one for future reference: Suppose Michigan runs the table, beats MSU, beats Ohio State (and ruins their national title hopes), and wins the Big 10, making a bowl game.

Or, suppose Michigan plays .500 ball, Henne comes back to full form, and THEN they beat OSU and spoils their title hopes.

Can the season be saved? Obviously, the national title is no longer an option, but it was the MEDIA who hyped the Wolverines as title contenders, and the media's been wrong before... lots of times before. I'd say that, more than likely, even the Michigan players didn't believe the hype, knowing full what they had was not close to a Championship caliber squad.

Of course, there's Carr. You think the fella would've learned the first time they played Carroll's USC squad that they'd blitz the green snot out of them again this past time around. No he didn't. and yes they did... the final point spread being near the same as two years prior, as well.

Henne is average. Nothing special. Yet, with a dominating defense, all you have to do is pretend you're Trent Dilfer out there -- make a play once in a while and DON'T turn the ball over, and you're good.

Hart, he of the Caldwell "Rectal Exam Eyes", wants to win. I don't blame him for that. People keep forgetting -- these players are STILL KIDS. 19. 20. 21 years old? They have yet to learn how to play the media, so what you see is the frustration of a 20 (or 21) year old who just got bitchslapped by the head of the Chess Club smack in the middle of the lunch hall. I don't blame him for his aggressive attitude -- I blame the coaches who should've plugged into their minds from day one of wearing that maize and blue: "You represent Michigan, now.... don't shoot off your mouth and fuck the school over".

Let's see bukdow and Tre stand before 100,000 screaming fans (as well as millions of faithful alumni), get "anal probed", and NOT lose your cool.


Anal probe?... you mean like daddy's Mr. Explorer?

RE: UofM fans

I think we've pretty much taken on the chin. We've ripped our teams play and coach up one side and down the other. So I'm not buying all this UofM fans are any different than any other school (other than we are smarter and better looking).

One poster said maybe this wasn't as big of an upset as it looks it Ap St runs the board and UofM goes .500, but that wasn't good enough for one spurty. Its like the only thing he'd accept is a disassociation from the school. Good luck with that btw.

So theres my sort of a rambling 2 cents post.

right. we all said ap state was horribly embarrassing, that oregon was devastating, that our team was overrated, that our D isnt very good, that its time for lloyd to move on... but thats not good enough? why? because sparty is and always will be the little bro who's waiting for mommy and daddy to give a fuck (which no one does! not even sparty! lol, 2-0 and theyre talking about lloyd's poor choice of deoderant).

no, we arent going to cry over spilled milk (mike hart's words) when we have his actions that speak for themselves. guarantee a win over lowly ND? fine. anyone who doesnt know michigan is going to trounce those half rate clowns doesnt belong on the team. forgive me if i think he's still worth playing, since he's about to tear up the irish, just like he might tear up the sparties if we're playing them (not sure, i only keep track of the top 5 or 6 big games on our schedule).

but whatever, blast away little bro's. this truly is your one moment in the sun.

[/cogent arrogance]

And hopping on them like they're bukdow's dong up your ass is even more ridiculous.

Good post, thanks for your contribution.

What does it prove? What could it possibly change in a Michigan fan, and why would we give a fuck? We don't need Jim Rome to validate us.
We don't carry the Sparty Inferiority Complex that makes us lie about going to school there, or have an orgasm when someone agrees with what we say.
People don't like Mike Hart? Fine. He came to UM and put up nasty numbers and will leave a legacy that many young men can emulate, and will.
Meanwhile, Sparty fans will continue to infest chatboards with irrational behavior, generalized insinuations that would astound the National Enquirer, make believe college degrees, lies, half truths, and hypocrisy. And all this while being the guardians of this nation's Moral Compass.

Another great contribution. You are on a roll. Think Zippy is a little pissy about his school's embarrassment? I think it is catching up to him.

Yeah, Tre, that's why I'm making such a big deal about the antics of a 21 year old kid. It's got me staying awake all hours of the night. I'm especially worried about Lloyd Carr.
Another typical Sparty trait: Flame the board with bullshit and then try to make it look like the other guys have the problem when they react. Especially if that reaction includes defending Michigan.

can somebody please take this shit to the terrordome...

RE: UofM fans

I think we've pretty much taken on the chin. We've ripped our teams play and coach up one side and down the other. So I'm not buying all this UofM fans are any different than any other school (other than we are smarter and better looking).

One poster said maybe this wasn't as big of an upset as it looks it Ap St runs the board and UofM goes .500, but that wasn't good enough for one spurty. Its like the only thing he'd accept is a disassociation from the school. Good luck with that btw.

So theres my sort of a rambling 2 cents post.

Nailed it!

Some of the MSU fans here (note: "some", not generalizing) seem disappointed that UM fans have been so willing to admit that the coaching is bad and that the team is likely bad as well.

It's like, "Damn, that was too easy, it should be more painful than that. What else can I try to dig up to try and get under their skin?"

It seems petty, but probably should have been expected.

The only poster I've seen trying to get under Michigan fans' skin would be Budkow. The rest of the State fans didn't even talk trash about Michigan losing the last two. Worst thing said was criticizing Hart.

Yeah, Tre, that's why I'm making such a big deal about the antics of a 21 year old kid. It's got me staying awake all hours of the night. I'm especially worried about Lloyd Carr.
Another typical Sparty trait: Flame the board with bullshit and then try to make it look like the other guys have the problem when they react. Especially if that reaction includes defending Michigan.

Yeah, I'm the one flaming. Read your last two posts. Budkow is the only State fan whose material would be considered flaming from the start. Some trash talk has gone back and forth, but only Budkow started with it. Therefore maybe you should just ignore him if you think he's flaming and move on with discussion instead of contributing toward it moving to terrordome material.

can somebody please take this shit to the terrordome...

No need for that, Denny. It's time to move forward now. There's Notre Dame to look, um, forward to.
Tahoe and Glenn summed it up perfectly.

Alright, since we've discussed injury problems with Hart. What do you wanna bet he'll come up lame and leave the game at some point? I've been making the argument so maybe I'll be dead wrong this game. I bet he limps off. We'll see.

I think the fact that he plays hurt (without harming the team, ala Jeremy Bonderman) helps his case and isn't something to be used against him.

That's just me.

He's obviously got a nagging injury already, so if he doesn't favor it at some point this weekend it would be more surprising than if he does.

Alright, since we've discussed injury problems with Hart. What do you wanna bet he'll come up lame and leave the game at some point? I've been making the argument so maybe I'll be dead wrong this game. I bet he limps off. We'll see.

that may be true, but i'd take the over on 150 yrds and 1 td. so whats the problem?

Hart gives his all on every play. If he would go down easier or run out of bounds more, I dont think he would get dinged up as much.

But no matter what you say about Hart, he gives it everything he has when he is in there.

Alright, since we've discussed injury problems with Hart. What do you wanna bet he'll come up lame and leave the game at some point? I've been making the argument so maybe I'll be dead wrong this game. I bet he limps off. We'll see.


Well well, aren't WE "Mr Go Out on a Limb": Oh, I don't know, I saw Hart sustain what looked like a very painful thigh injury in the last game, have to leave it a couple times, and spend much time on the stationary bike on the sidelines. I saw him limp off the field (because he's such a pussy) a couple times and throw his helmet, which, of course, I want him sent to prison for. Yup, something tells me he is going to miss some plays in the next game"

Tre, have you had it up to your ASS with that sissified guy from the Bills who nearly broke his neck the other day? Man, ain't he some kind of weak ass.

Hart gives his all on every play. If he would go down easier or run out of bounds more, I dont think he would get dinged up as much.

But no matter what you say about Hart, he gives it everything he has when he is in there.

I'll give ya that.

Well well, aren't WE "Mr Go Out on a Limb": Oh, I don't know, I saw Hart sustain what looked like a very painful thigh injury in the last game, have to leave it a couple times, and spend much time on the stationary bike on the sidelines. I saw him limp off the field (because he's such a pussy) a couple times and throw his helmet, which, of course, I want him sent to prison for. Yup, something tells me he is going to miss some plays in the next game"

Tre, have you had it up to your ASS with that sissified guy from the Bills who nearly broke his neck the other day? Man, ain't he some kind of weak ass.

yawn.

I feel like somebody involved in this thread is going to get nearly castrated...

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/408/mouthhartmv7.jpg

Somewhere I missed something.