AP Top 25
1. USC (59) 1-0 1,619
2. LSU (5) 1-0 1,542
3. West Virginia (1) 1-0 1,449
4. Florida 1-0 1,346
5. Oklahoma 1-0 1,275
5. Wisconsin 1-0 1,275
7. Texas 1-0 1,221
8. Louisville 1-0 1,152
9. Virginia Tech 1-0 1,085
10. California 1-0 1,080
11. Georgia 1-0 959
12. Ohio State 1-0 940
13. UCLA 1-0 736
14. Penn State 1-0 662
15. Rutgers 1-0 659
16. Nebraska 1-0 541
17. Auburn 1-0 519
18. Arkansas 1-0 450
19. TCU 1-0 384
20. Hawaii 1-0 335
21. Georgia Tech 1-0 278
22. Boise State 1-0 267
23. Texas A&M 1-0 217
24. Tennessee 0-1 210
25. Clemson 1-0 195

Others Receiving Votes
Boston College 126, Missouri 116, Miami (FL) 91, Oregon 90, Alabama 74, Oregon State 41, South Carolina 39, Michigan 39, Brigham Young 27, South Florida 27, Florida State 22, Arizona State 19, Southern Miss 9, Wake Forest 7, Washington 1, Kansas 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Michigan 5, Florida State 19.


USA Today Poll
1. USC (49) 1-0 1,486
2. LSU (4) 1-0 1,417
3. Florida (7) 1-0 1,341
4. West Virginia 1-0 1,275
5. Wisconsin 1-0 1,183
6. Oklahoma 1-0 1,146
7. Texas 1-0 1,136
8. Louisville 1-0 995
9. Virginia Tech 1-0 988
10. California 1-0 985
11. Ohio State 1-0 977
12. Georgia 1-0 796
13. Auburn 1-0 644
14. UCLA 1-0 607
15. Penn State 1-0 585
16. Rutgers 1-0 576
17. Nebraska 1-0 512
18. Arkansas 1-0 455
19. TCU 1-0 351
20. Boise State 1-0 315
21. Georgia Tech 1-0 311
22. Hawaii 1-0 269
23. Texas A&M 1-0 214
24. Tennessee 0-1 162
25. Boston College 1-0 153

Others Receiving Votes
Clemson 145, Michigan 132, Miami (FL) 61, Brigham Young 49, Oregon 41, South Carolina 34, Missouri 29, TEXASTECH 25, Oregon State 24, Alabama 21, South Florida 20, Southern Miss 16, Florida State 14, Kentucky 4, Arizona State 3, Iowa 1, Wake Forest 1, Washington 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Michigan 5, Florida State 21.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070904/SPORTS06/70904060/1035/ENT


U-M out of USA Today top 25 poll

September 4, 2007
By MARK SNYDER
FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

Michigan’s loss to Appalachian State continues to resonate.

The first in-season college football poll was released today and the Wolverines took a major fall.

Michigan fell out of the USA Today top 25 coaches poll, released just after 2 p.m. today, after holding the preseason No. 5 position. The Wolverines received 132 points and sit in the No. 27 spot.

The Associated Press poll had not been released.

According to USA Today, 22 of the 60 head coaches kept Michigan on their ballot, including one who kept them 10th.

The coaches rankings are significant because their poll influences the BCS rankings and, potentially, a spot in the national championship game.

“Every week, there’s some type of issue regarding the outside, regardless of whether you’ve won or lost,” Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said Tuesday. “It’s just a lot more fun dealing with those issues coming off a win. I don’t think there’s any question that you have to face the reality of your performance and the things you need to do to get better and the things that you need to do to better.”

Michigan has made the most appearances in the AP poll (741 times since 1936), and has appeared in the top 25 in all but seven of coach Lloyd Carr’s 150 career games (four games in 1998 and three in 2005.)

The 1998 season may be the best reference point for the Wolverines’ situation. Michigan opened that season ranked No. 5, coming off the 1997 national championship, but lost the first two games to Notre Dame and Syracuse.

Losing in South Bend dropped them to No. 13 in the AP poll and the loss to Syracuse in Ann Arbor dropped them out of the poll and into the “others receiving votes” category, where they sat 32nd overall.

Michigan’s last time out of the polls came after losing the 2005 Alamo Bowl to Nebraska, knocking them from the final poll.

Earlier in the 2005 season, the Wolverines suffered a major tumble, as well, when they fell to 2-2 and out of the Sept. 26 poll, ending a streak of 114 consecutive ranked weeks.

Michigan’s longest consecutive streak lasted 160 weeks from Oct. 14, 1968, to Sept. 22, 1980.

I have ZERO problem with them not being there.

I don't see MSU in there, must be a typo.

The pollsters wear adidas.

Also, this is further evidence that the polls that are included in the BCS formula should not even be taken until there are at least a few games played.

I know Auburn, Boise State, Rutgers and several other schools agree.

I agree that they shouldn't have a poll until after 3-4 games. I also agree that UM probably doesn't deserve to be a Top 25 team, however they are clearly one of the best 25 teams in collge fball IMO.

According to USA Today, 22 of the 60 head coaches kept Michigan on their ballot, including one who kept them 10th.


Any guesses on who voted them 10th. Must be a big10 coach, hopefully other than lloyd himself. I would guess tressel or paterno.

It would be smart for them (other Big Ten coaches) to do so to keep their SOS high. That might be what you are inferring, x.

Is this the biggest drop after one game ever? Just curious because it's the worst loss I've ever heard of.

On paper it is the biggest upset, imo. But like Glen has been saying, it might not be that huge if the season plays out like he suggests for the sake of argument.

These preseason prognosticators added to all of this.


The final fallout from a disastrous opening weekend for Michigan came Tuesday, when the Wolverines dropped all the way out of The Associated Press Top 25, an unprecedented fall from No. 5 to unranked.
Since the AP poll expanded to 25 teams in 1989, no team has taken a bigger tumble in one week.

I heard today, cant remember the exact team but I think OK dropped from 1 to out after losing to #3 ND after the first week when the poll was only 20 teams. Dumb IMO, losing to #3 isnt that bad.

Aside from that, sorry us UW people dont run up the score and we put our 3rd string people in there against what could be a decent team in WS while OK runs up a score against a lesser team to tie UW in the polls. Like UW couldnt have run up the score? We won, we move on, we dont care. (I dont care, just making a point)

Michigan is a top 15 team easily. It matches up with their recruiting effort these last few years. Typical overreaction in the wake of one of the Top 5 upsets in the history of sports. I figured about 9-3 with one Big 10 loss at the start and I'll stay with that.

I head this morning that no team has ever dropped out from the top 5 since the poll expanded to 25 teams.

AP Top 25
1. USC (40) 1-0 1,594
2. LSU (25) 2-0 1,582
3. Oklahoma 2-0 1,418
4. West Virginia 2-0 1,408
5. Florida 2-0 1,370
6. Texas 2-0 1,290
7. Wisconsin 2-0 1,171
8. California 2-0 1,126
9. Louisville 2-0 1,097
10. Ohio State 2-0 962
11. UCLA 2-0 910
12. Penn State 2-0 896
13. Rutgers 2-0 820
14. Nebraska 2-0 693
15. Georgia Tech 2-0 590
16. Arkansas 1-0 537
17. South Carolina 2-0 477
18. Virginia Tech 1-1 382
19. Oregon 2-0 367
20. Clemson 2-0 349
21. Boston College 2-0 323
22. Tennessee 1-1 284
23. Georgia 1-1 261
24. Hawaii 2-0 247
25. Texas A&M 2-0 243

Others Receiving Votes
South Florida 220, Missouri 144, Alabama 116, Washington 95, TCU 66, Arizona State 28, Auburn 23, Appalachian State 19, Cincinnati 12, Florida State 2, Iowa 1, Kansas 1, Purdue 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Auburn 17, TCU 19, Boise State 22.


USA Today Poll
1. USC (42) 1-0 1,476
2. LSU (11) 2-0 1,437
3. Florida (7) 2-0 1,353
4. West Virginia 2-0 1,269
5. Oklahoma 2-0 1,264
6. Texas 2-0 1,156
7. Wisconsin 2-0 1,141
8. California 2-0 1,038
9. Louisville 2-0 1,020
10. Ohio State 2-0 972
11. UCLA 2-0 837
12. Penn State 2-0 804
13. Rutgers 2-0 699
14. Nebraska 2-0 677
15. Georgia Tech 2-0 582
16. Arkansas 1-0 493
17. Virginia Tech 1-1 371
18. Texas A&M 2-0 325
19. Boston College 2-0 315
20. Clemson 2-0 311
21. Oregon 2-0 309
22. Hawaii 2-0 308
23. South Carolina 2-0 294
24. Tennessee 1-1 237
25. Georgia 1-1 199

Others Receiving Votes
Auburn 131, South Florida 115, Missouri 65, Washington 60, Texas Tech 53, Boise State 47, TCU 41, Alabama 34, Iowa 19, Arizona State 18, Brigham Young 10, Kentucky 9, Miami (FL) 3, Wyoming 3, Maryland 2, Cincinnati 2, Purdue 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Auburn 13, TCU 19, Boise State 20.

Question: are the pollsters violating Bukdow's Law if they vote for a school but they didn't attend it?

Pollsters have a tenuous connection to these schools, at best.

Also, check out Brian Kelly.

IBSSTHODWBHHDP

Here come those Spartans, they might just catch Appalachian St. yet!


AP Top 25
1. USC (46) 2-0 1,605
2. LSU (19) 3-0 1,577
3. Florida 3-0 1,437
4. Oklahoma 3-0 1,434
5. West Virginia 3-0 1,388
6. California 3-0 1,232
7. Texas 3-0 1,169
8. Ohio State 3-0 1,142
9. Wisconsin 3-0 1,111
10. Penn State 3-0 1,041
11. Rutgers 3-0 956
12. South Carolina 3-0 814
13. Oregon 3-0 810
14. Boston College 3-0 792
15. Clemson 3-0 615
16. Alabama 3-0 516
17. Virginia Tech 2-1 458
18. Louisville 2-1 367
19. Hawaii 3-0 343
20. Texas A&M 3-0 342
21. Kentucky 3-0 338
22. Georgia 2-1 333
23. South Florida 2-0 285
24. Nebraska 2-1 277
25. Missouri 3-0 228

Others Receiving Votes
Arkansas 179, Georgia Tech 128, Arizona State 69, Cincinnati 53, UCLA 41, Texas Tech 16, Air Force 8, Purdue 6, Appalachian State 5, Florida State 5, Washington 2, Tulsa 1, Kansas 1, Michigan State 1.

Dropped From Rankings
UCLA 11, Georgia Tech 15, Arkansas 16, Tennessee 22.


USA Today Poll
1. USC (44) 2-0 1,478
2. LSU (8) 3-0 1,438
3. Florida (7) 3-0 1,368
4. Oklahoma (1) 3-0 1,308
5. West Virginia 3-0 1,244
6. Texas 3-0 1,103
7. Wisconsin 3-0 1,098
8. California 3-0 1,093
9. Ohio State 3-0 1,062
10. Penn State 3-0 942
11. Rutgers 3-0 863
12. Boston College 3-0 754
13. Oregon 3-0 702
14. Clemson 3-0 595
14. South Carolina 3-0 595
16. Texas A&M 3-0 530
17. Virginia Tech 2-1 485
18. Hawaii 3-0 404
19. Louisville 2-1 383
20. Alabama 3-0 345
21. Georgia 2-1 271
22. Nebraska 2-1 228
23. Kentucky 3-0 168
24. South Florida 2-0 165
25. Missouri 3-0 145

Others Receiving Votes
Arkansas 143, Georgia Tech 143, Texas Tech 142, UCLA 122, Arizona State 67, Purdue 40, MICHIGANST 21, Cincinnati 20, Boise State 14, Florida State 7, Air Force 6, Tennessee 4, Washington 4.

Dropped From Rankings
UCLA 11, Georgia Tech 15, Arkansas 16, Tennessee 24.

I have no idea why MSU is in all caps in the USA Today poll.

Check out Sagarin:

College Football 2007 through games of September 15 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.93 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 LSU A = 100.07 3 0 71.28( 50) 0 0 | 0 0 | 95.88 2 | 106.67 1
2 Southern California A = 96.05 2 0 70.89( 55) 0 0 | 1 0 | 98.84 1 | 93.09 5
3 Florida A = 94.49 3 0 68.83( 69) 0 0 | 1 0 | 91.98 5 | 96.66 3
4 Ohio State A = 92.90 3 0 69.16( 66) 0 0 | 1 0 | 95.68 3 | 89.90 7
5 West Virginia A = 90.20 3 0 63.66( 103) 0 0 | 0 0 | 89.06 8 | 90.43 6
6 Cincinnati A = 89.56 3 0 63.35( 105) 0 0 | 1 0 | 84.84 15 | 96.24 4
7 Oklahoma A = 89.27 3 0 55.21( 152) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.28 18 | 100.87 2
8 California A = 89.14 3 0 68.60( 72) 0 0 | 1 0 | 89.82 7 | 87.59 10
9 Oregon A = 87.90 3 0 69.03( 67) 0 0 | 0 0 | 86.77 13 | 88.13 9
10 Boston College A = 87.55 3 0 72.25( 44) 0 0 | 0 0 | 87.95 10 | 86.23 11
College Football 2007 through games of September 15 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.93 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
11 Alabama A = 86.19 3 0 66.81( 79) 0 0 | 1 0 | 89.95 6 | 82.48 19
12 Texas A = 85.65 3 0 71.13( 52) 0 0 | 0 0 | 92.99 4 | 80.30 28
13 Oregon State A = 83.97 2 1 71.14( 51) 0 1 | 0 1 | 81.64 24 | 85.67 12
14 Arkansas A = 83.14 1 1 78.87( 11) 0 0 | 0 1 | 81.70 22 | 83.70 14
15 South Carolina A = 82.65 3 0 60.05( 125) 0 0 | 0 0 | 88.16 9 | 77.90 33
16 Missouri A = 82.51 3 0 66.71( 82) 0 0 | 0 0 | 83.89 16 | 80.36 27
17 Arizona State A = 81.92 3 0 58.53( 131) 0 0 | 0 0 | 80.01 29 | 83.06 16
18 Nebraska A = 81.89 2 1 76.89( 17) 0 1 | 0 1 | 81.25 25 | 81.57 20
19 Kentucky A = 81.64 3 0 63.20( 106) 0 0 | 0 0 | 81.18 26 | 81.15 21
20 Washington A = 81.56 2 1 75.52( 27) 0 1 | 1 1 | 79.75 30 | 82.56 18
College Football 2007 through games of September 15 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.93

LOL@Sagarin

USC #2?

OSU #4?

Cincy #6?

Oregon #9? Wait...

LOL@Sagarin

USC #2?

OSU #4?

Cincy #6?

Oregon #9? Wait...

BUT sign me up for the Sagarin and you go ahead and entertain yourself with "Aesopian " like fables of "Three Big 10 Teams" in the top 10. Now THAT is fucking hilarious.

AP Top 25
1. USC (43) 3-0 1,601
2. LSU (22) 4-0 1,580
3. Oklahoma 4-0 1,456
4. Florida 4-0 1,417
5. West Virginia 4-0 1,388
6. California 4-0 1,263
7. Texas 4-0 1,196
8. Ohio State 4-0 1,193
9. Wisconsin 4-0 1,030
10. Rutgers 3-0 1,008
11. Oregon 4-0 944
12. Boston College 4-0 927
13. Clemson 4-0 807
14. Kentucky 4-0 708
15. Georgia 3-1 631
16. South Carolina 3-1 586
17. Virginia Tech 3-1 568
18. South Florida 3-0 539
19. Hawaii 4-0 471
20. Missouri 4-0 401
21. Penn State 3-1 337
22. Alabama 3-1 265
23. Arizona State 4-0 206
24. Cincinnati 4-0 164
25. Nebraska 3-1 134

Others Receiving Votes
Purdue 73, Miami (FL) 72, Michigan State 60, UCLA 27, Texas A&M 21, Michigan 21, Arkansas 10, Kansas 6, Florida State 5, UCF 4, Connecticut 3, Virginia 2, Tennessee 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Louisville 18, Texas A&M 20.


USA Today Poll
1. USC (44) 3-0 1,481
2. LSU (8) 4-0 1,438
3. Florida (4) 4-0 1,347
4. Oklahoma (4) 4-0 1,336
5. West Virginia 4-0 1,260
6. California 4-0 1,137
7. Texas 4-0 1,103
8. Ohio State 4-0 1,092
9. Wisconsin 4-0 1,026
10. Rutgers 3-0 901
11. Boston College 4-0 881
12. Oregon 4-0 878
13. Clemson 4-0 767
14. Virginia Tech 3-1 585
15. Kentucky 4-0 545
16. Georgia 3-1 516
17. Hawaii 4-0 479
18. South Florida 3-0 451
19. Penn State 3-1 397
20. Missouri 4-0 369
21. South Carolina 3-1 335
22. Nebraska 3-1 209
23. Michigan State 4-0 167
24. Alabama 3-1 154
25. Arizona State 4-0 151
25. Purdue 4-0 151

Others Receiving Votes
Cincinnati 84, UCLA 69, Miami (FL) 52, Texas A&M 20, Kansas 20, Louisville 18, Boise State 18, Michigan 17, Georgia Tech 10, Florida State 8, Virginia 7, TCU 6, UCF 5, Tennessee 4, Iowa 3, Air Force 2, Mississippi State 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Texas A&M 16, Louisville 19.

How is Nebraska still on there?

slappification

MSU's #23 ranking is substantial, at worst.

I thought they might put us ahead of Penn St. No big.

BTW, some dude from Rivals.com has MSU at #13 in the country.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1144&CID=718162

AP Top 25
1. LSU (33) 5-0 1,593
2. USC (32) 4-0 1,591
3. California 5-0 1,475
4. Ohio State 5-0 1,420
5. Wisconsin 5-0 1,271
6. South Florida 4-0 1,203
7. Boston College 5-0 1,172
8. Kentucky 5-0 1,143
9. Florida 4-1 1,031
10. Oklahoma 4-1 992
11. South Carolina 4-1 900
12. Georgia 4-1 885
13. West Virginia 4-1 861
14. Oregon 4-1 837
15. Virginia Tech 4-1 639
16. Hawaii 5-0 586
17. Missouri 4-0 561
18. Arizona State 5-0 497
19. Texas 4-1 449
20. Cincinnati 5-0 377
21. Rutgers 3-1 299
22. Clemson 4-1 265
23. Purdue 5-0 218
24. Kansas State 3-1 214
25. Nebraska 4-1 198

Others Receiving Votes
Florida State 101, Miami (FL) 83, Illinois 59, Auburn 52, UCLA 49, Texas A&M 29, Michigan State 16, Michigan 15, Connecticut 9, Alabama 6, Arkansas 5, Colorado 5, UCF 5, Penn State 4, Virginia 3, Kansas 3, Boise State 3, Washington 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Penn State 21, Alabama 22.


USA Today Poll
1. USC (45) 4-0 1,483
2. LSU (14) 5-0 1,454
3. California 5-0 1,363
4. Ohio State (1) 5-0 1,313
5. Wisconsin 5-0 1,251
6. Boston College 5-0 1,138
7. Florida 4-1 1,000
8. Kentucky 5-0 971
9. South Florida 4-0 960
10. Oklahoma 4-1 925
11. Georgia 4-1 758
12. West Virginia 4-1 756
13. Oregon 4-1 697
14. Virginia Tech 4-1 661
15. Hawaii 5-0 585
16. Texas 4-1 573
17. Missouri 4-0 532
18. South Carolina 4-1 529
19. Arizona State 5-0 466
20. Purdue 5-0 423
21. Rutgers 3-1 347
22. Clemson 4-1 278
23. Nebraska 4-1 261
24. Cincinnati 5-0 249
25. UCLA 4-1 79

Others Receiving Votes
Miami (FL) 68, Michigan State 63, Kansas 48, Florida State 46, Auburn 42, Kansas State 33, Boise State 25, Connecticut 23, Illinois 21, Tennessee 17, Virginia 15, PENNST 12, Texas A&M 10, Michigan 10, Alabama 5, Colorado 3, Georgia Tech 3, Indiana 1, UCF 1, Wake Forest 1, Wyoming 1.

Dropped From Rankings
Penn State 19, Michigan State 23, Alabama 24.

LOL @ OSU at #4 and Wisconsin at #5.

I'm ready for the Boston College vs. Cincinnati national championship.

LOL @ Florida only moving down 5 spots after losing AT HOME to an unranked, two loss team. Give me a break.

LOL @ Kentucky being #8. I never thought I would see the day...

Not a good year to stumble out of the gates like Michigan. With all the early losses to favorites it's a good year to watch your competition drop like flies.

I bet Florida has a lot of fans to beat LSU all of a sudden. If that happens there is a pretty good chance that there will be only one unbeated BCS team (USC), if that.

I posted the usa today coaches poll. I think it is crap. I would put USC after Oregon, Missouri, South Car., ASU, Cinci, Wisc, Ken, and Kansas. They haven't beaten anyone and they lost to stanford at home. If they beat oregon and cal, you can put them back near the top. I also think OK, Virginia tech, and texas are too high. I think Oregon, S. Car, Ken, Missouri, Kansas are too low. Also who is giving votes to stanford, ucla, and mich state?

USA Today Poll
1. LSU (58) 6-0 1,498
2. California 5-0 1,416
3. Ohio State (2) 6-0 1,399
4. Boston College 6-0 1,283
5. Oklahoma 5-1 1,145
5. South Florida 5-0 1,145
7. USC 4-1 1,000
8. Oregon 4-1 936
9. West Virginia 5-1 931
10. Virginia Tech 5-1 913
11. Missouri 5-0 897
12. South Carolina 5-1 823
13. Arizona State 6-0 763
14. Florida 4-2 714
15. Wisconsin 5-1 689
16. Hawaii 6-0 632
17. Cincinnati 6-0 578
18. Kentucky 5-1 493
19. Illinois 5-1 425
20. Kansas 5-0 390
21. Florida State 4-1 213
22. Texas 4-2 195
23. Georgia 4-2 188
24. Purdue 5-1 149
25. Auburn 4-2 143
Others Receiving Votes
Virginia 67, Tennessee 60, Texas A&M 52, Texas Tech 44, Rutgers 44, Boise State 37, Connecticut 36, Indiana 30, Penn State 27, Michigan 22, Maryland 20, Wyoming 18, Clemson 16, Colorado 15, Wake Forest 12, Nebraska 10, Mississippi State 6, Brigham Young 6, Alabama 6, Kansas State 5, Stanford 4, Michigan State 3, UCLA 2.
Dropped From Rankings
Rutgers 21, Clemson 22, Nebraska 23, UCLA 25.
Complete Rankings

i hate to say this, but OSU is playing like it belongs in the NC game this year.

beating them in ann arbor would mean alot, to say the least. i dont see it happening, though.

this is perhaps the craziest year of NCAA football i can remember. the number of dangerous teams seems to be endless, and yet everyone seems beatable.

look at the big ten, everyone talks about how bad it is, but i've seen most of the teams play now and it seems like everyone has atleast a couple of real strong positives.

example, indiana aint winning the big ten, but they legitimately could sneak into a bowl game.

Don't forget about the Spartans!

I wonder how Penn St deserves to be ahead of UM?

i hate to say this, but OSU is playing like it belongs in the NC game this year.


http://www.sociology.osu.edu/UndergradProgram/Karyl/tressel.jpg

If everyone is saying that the USC loss is worse than the App State loss, how did USC only fall to 9/7 on the polls?

Come on now.

Illinois much better than Stanford beats Wisky by 5. Stanford beats USC by 1 and Wisky drops a ton of spaces. Now Wisky is overhyped, but so is USC. Who has USC beaten a bad Neb team on the road? A team that barely beat Ball State at home and got blown out by Mizzou.

Yeah, people who vote are dumb.

If we could get 20 guys that come here that could leave their team spirit at the door, I think we could do a better job.

1 Ohio State
2 South Florida
3 Boston College
4 LSU
5 Oklahoma
6 South Carolina
7 Kentucky
8 Arizona State
9 West Virginia
10 Oregon
11 Virginia Tech
12 California
13 Kansas
14 USC
15 Florida
16 Missouri
17 Auburn
18 Hawaii
19 Virginia
20 Georgia
21 Tennessee
22 Texas
23 Cincinnati
24 Texas Tech
25 Michigan
South Florida and BC ranked 2 and 3. Whoda thunkit.

And look who dug themselves out of their hole and back on the big board at 25.

If everyone is saying that the USC loss is worse than the App State loss, how did USC only fall to 9/7 on the polls?

Come on now.

Exactly.

And, uh, LSU is rated ahead of Kentucky? I could swear that Kentucky just beat LSU.

First BCS Rankings of the year are out, the bolded column is the BCS #


Harris Poll USA Today Computer Rankings BCS
TEAM RK PTS % RK PTS % A&H RB CM KM JS PW % COMP AVG BCS AVG PRVS
1 Ohio State 1 2845 .9982 1 1495 .9967 23 25 22 19 19 19 .830 T-5 .9416 NR
2 South Florida 3 2508 .8800 3 1320 .8800 25 24 25 25 25 25 1.000 1 .9200 NR
3 Boston College 2 2650 .9298 2 1383 .9220 20 21 19 23 21 20 .820 7 .8906 NR
4 LSU 5 2303 .8081 5 1173 .7820 22 22 23 24 24 24 .930 2 .8400 NR
5 Oklahoma 4 2503 .8782 4 1288 .8587 12 14 15 12 14 15 .550 11 .7623 NR
6 South Carolina 6 2009 .7049 8 997 .6647 21 20 20 22 23 23 .860 3 .7432 NR
7 Kentucky 11 1759 .6172 13 874 .5827 18 23 21 21 22 21 .850 4 .6833 NR
8 Arizona State 12 1697 .5954 12 936 .6240 24 17 24 20 17 22 .830 T-5 .6831 NR
9 West Virginia 8 1926 .6758 7 1007 .6713 10 19 11 17 18 18 .640 10 .6624 NR
10 Oregon 7 1974 .6926 6 1077 .7180 17 8 18 14 8 11 .500 13 .6369 NR
11 Virginia Tech 13 1638 .5747 11 982 .6547 11 16 17 18 16 17 .660 T-8 .6298 NR
12 California 10 1894 .6646 T-9 983 .6553 16 13 12 11 12 10 .480 T-14 .6000 NR
13 Kansas 15 1200 .4211 15 705 .4700 19 1 16 15 20 16 .660 T-8 .5170 NR
14 USC 9 1915 .6719 T-9 983 .6553 8 18 0 1 0 0 .090 23 .4724 NR
15 Florida 14 1458 .5116 14 726 .4840 6 12 8 10 7 3 .310 T-17 .4352 NR
16 Missouri 17 1053 .3695 17 519 .3460 15 5 10 9 11 13 .430 16 .3818 NR
17 Auburn 19 667 .2340 19 372 .2480 14 11 13 16 15 9 .530 12 .3373 NR
18 Hawaii 16 1198 .4204 16 558 .3720 0 0 6 0 0 14 .060 25 .2841 NR
19 Virginia 24 240 .0842 24 184 .1227 13 0 14 13 10 12 .480 T-14 .2290 NR
20 Georgia 20 528 .1853 20 282 .1880 9 2 7 6 9 8 .300 19 .2244 NR
21 Tennessee 22 420 .1474 22 193 .1287 7 10 5 7 13 7 .310 T-17 .1953 NR
22 Texas 18 786 .2758 18 396 .2640 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000 NR .1799 NR
23 Cincinnati 23 369 .1295 23 192 .1280 3 0 9 0 1 6 .100 22 .1192 NR
24 Texas Tech 21 459 .1611 21 232 .1547 0 0 0 0 0 2 .000 NR .1052 NR
25 Michigan 25 229 .0804 26 127 .0847 0 15 2 5 0 0 .070 24 .0783 NR

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2Boston College (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=10)7-022676.938921412.9413.97003.950
3LSU (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=76)7-132550.894731319.8793.96004.911
4Arizona State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=58)7-082003.702871089.7260.86008.763
5Oregon (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=60)6-152281.800451225.8167.670010.762
6Oklahoma (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=24)7-142521.884641306.8707.51005.755
7West Virginia (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=17)6-162157.756861134.7560.61009.708
8Virginia Tech (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=16)6-1101831.642591052.7013.690011.678
9Kansas (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=20)7-0111671.586310911.6073.750013.648
10South Florida (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=655)6-1121627.570912813.5420.81002.641
11Florida (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=67)5-291867.655111906.6040.610015.623
12USC (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=62)6-172100.736881060.7067.170014.538
13Missouri (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=22)6-1131568.550213790.5267.530016.536
14Kentucky (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=69)6-2151156.405615604.4027.55007.453
15Virginia (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=8)7-120650.228118466.3107.760019.433
16South Carolina (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=70)6-171031.361817474.3160.39006.356
17Hawaii (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=91)7-0141265.443914617.4113.000018.285
18Georgia (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=68)5-219711.249519402.2680.230020.249
19Texas (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=83)6-2161054.369816527.3513.000022.240
20Michigan (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=29)6-221643.225621325.2167.260025.234
21California (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=59)5-218873.306320397.2647.020012.197
22Auburn (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=75)5-323333.116823179.1193.330017.189
23Connecticut (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=202)6-12980.02812875.0500.330037.136
24Alabama (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=73)6-224322.113024177.1180.150035.127
25Penn State (http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/team?statsId=34)6-222404.141822294.1960.010027.116

Unbelieveble, LSU has one loss and is still ahead of unbeaten ASU.

Well to be honest...LSU has beaten 4 teams in the BCS top 25, which really helps them.

If ASU gets through Oregon and USC with no losses they will get above LSU at some point.

It just PAINS ME to see Hawaii ranked ahead of 10 of the B10 Schools.

It just PAINS ME to see Hawaii ranked ahead of 10 of the B10 Schools.
Especially when they have beaten nobody at all.

Here are their opponents records:

0-8
2-5
2-6
3-4 (1-AA)
1-7
0-7
3-5

8-38 for div 1 schools (less than 0.08 win% for those scoring at home)

Pretty impressive huh?

Wow. Now it REALLY PAINS ME!

Wonder if my boys were in the also receiving votes, it seems a few years ago a loss to USC catapulted our program to new heights.

Wow. Now it REALLY PAINS ME!

Especially when one game went to OT, and I think a couple more were close too.

If Hawaii beats Fresno State, Boise State and Washington, I got no problems with them getting a BCS bid.

If Hawaii beats Fresno State, Boise State and Washington, I got no problems with them getting a BCS bid.

3 more unranked? Put Hawaii in the B10 and they're fighting Minni at the bottom, imo.

I was going to say, I want UofM to have their Schedge next year, but after the debacle that is Apple St...nevermind!

I have a love/hate thing going on with Boise. I hate that Blue field, but love the way they play.

I was quite young, but I remember when byu won a national title by coming from behind to beat a crappy 6-6 michigan team in the holiday bowl. (I think harbaugh was injured that year.) Anyways, I doubt hawaii would make the championship game because they have a zero computer score right now. I guess Boise St. and maybe uw would raise it, but not by much.

As a side note, do people here think that oklahoma is that great of a team? They looked good against missouri and a poor miami team, but lost to colorado and didn't look that great against texas or iowa state. Yet, everyone thinks they are the best 1-loss team besides lsu. Personally, i think oregon, florida, and even USF have been more impressive. Also, it is pretty amazing that usf fell farther in the polls for losing at rutgers than usc for losing at home to stanford. in fact, michigan has a better computer score than usc at this point, yet usc is voted into the top 10. (note for sparty fans, my issue is with usc being too high, not michigan being too low.)

If Hawaii beats Fresno State, Boise State and Washington, I got no problems with them getting a BCS bid.

Boise beat Weber St, Wyoming and Southern Miss and lost to Washington in their non-conference. Yippee.

Fresno beat Sacramento State and lost their other two. I'm impressed.

Washington beat Syracuse and Boise, then lost 5 straight. we are really building a resume now.

Still have no problem?

Nope. Because they wont win all 3 games. Therefore, I dont really have a problem.

They be lucky to win 1 of the 3.

Oregon is the best offense in the land this year. They are deadly. This weekend Oregon vs. USC in Eugene. Should be a good one.

Gotcha. I was wondering where you were coming from. You don't mind, cuz it aint gonna happen.

I thought it was going to be the 'hey they won all their games (even if my High School team could beat them) argument'

This year's NCAA football SCREAMS for a playoff system. If they ever do go to a playoff system, it will rank right there with MMadness, imo. Well, maybe not. Excuse me while I go argue with myself.

i thought last year was the best argument for, and ultimately against, college football playoffs.

i thought last year was the best argument for, and ultimately against, college football playoffs.

cogent?

Michigan 20? I guess those retards don't know they lost to Appalachian State in the first game.

Gotcha. I was wondering where you were coming from. You don't mind, cuz it aint gonna happen.

I thought it was going to be the 'hey they won all their games (even if my High School team could beat them) argument'
But he is saying if they win them all they deserve the bid. Read his previous post:

If Hawaii beats Fresno State, Boise State and Washington, I got no problems with them getting a BCS bid.

How can you say they won't beat 3 teams that totally suck?

Because I have seen all 4 teams play and no way Hawaii beats all 3 teams not even if all 3 were at home.

That doesn't really answer both questions though. You said you'd have no problem with them being in the BCS after winning 3 games because you don't think they'll win all 3.

That's like me saying I don't have a problem with my wife cheating on me because I don't think she will. So what? What if it DOES happen?

I cannot get all riled up over something that I dont think will happen.

To use your analogy. I dont think my wife will cheat and thus I cannot get all bothered by something that hasnt happened. If and when it happens, check back with me on how my reaction would change.

I've hd NUMEROUS trysts with married women over the course of my on again, off again married/single cycle.
I can assure both Art and Chris that either your wives have already "cheated", or they WILL cheat. And so will you.
I wouldn;t worry about it.
(And, it's only cheating if you get caught).

I've hd NUMEROUS trysts with married women over the course of my on again, off again married/single cycle.
I can assure both Art and Chris that either your wives have already "cheated", or they WILL cheat. And so will you.
I wouldn;t worry about it.
(And, it's only cheating if you get caught).

Of course that only goes for Chris & Art right Zip? Right Zip? Right Zip? Huh? Huh? Huh?

(And, it's only cheating if you get caught).[/QUOTE]

God I love that. May I use it?

Zip fucking cows in Nebraska is not really cheating....just sick.

Art brings the Hammer with the one hundred trillionth "cow" joke. They may have been funny five hundred years ago.

Hip, you may indeed use the "cheating" line.

I cannot get all riled up over something that I dont think will happen.

To use your analogy. I dont think my wife will cheat and thus I cannot get all bothered by something that hasnt happened. If and when it happens, check back with me on how my reaction would change.

So you are saying because something hasn't happened, you cannot form an opinion on how you would feel if it happened?

I've never been pissed on by a random person walking by, but I'm pretty sure I'd be mad if that ever happened.

I don't know how many wins the Pistons will have, but I would be pretty pissed if they miss the playoffs.

Aparently we cannot deal with hypotheticals in your world. Wierd.

Why should I get pissed over something I dont think will happen.

There is a point and time for people to get pissed off. If Hawaii can get through the Fresno and Boise with wins, then you can start getting pissed about something that has a much higher chance of happening than something that at this point has about a 5% chance of happening.

From what you guys are saying I should get pissed at my wife for cheating just because I thought it could happen. Yeah that makes sense.


Sure you can deal with hypotheticals, knock yourself out. I didnt get all pissy because people were getting pissed about Hawaii having a chance. I just stated I wasnt worried about it and dont have a problem with how things are going as of today.

Sure you can deal with hypotheticals, knock yourself out. I didnt get all pissy because people were getting pissed about Hawaii having a chance. I just stated I wasnt worried about it and dont have a problem with how things are going as of today.

Now we are getting somewhere. If you had said that bolded part instead of what you did say, I would have agreed %100. I don't care where people are ranked right now, only the final poll matters. However, you said you wouldn't have a problem with them being in the BCS games with a perfect record. So, you were operating in a hypothetical world there. You are saying two different things.

My guess is the bolded part is what you believe, and that you didn't mean to say you had no problem with an undefeated Hawaii team in the BCS games. That, or you didn't realize how shitty their remaining opponents were and you changed your mind.

Anyway, I am done with this since you are changing your story and there is no point persuing a comment that you are dancing around.

I hate to do this because I know it will jinx Michigan, but look at this......

#10
#11
#12
#15

All lost today and #16 is trailing by 2 TD's right now. I'm not sure if you put a 2 loss USC and Florida behind Michigan, but Michigan could be a top 15 team going into next week possibly. Kinda scary considering where we were after two weeks in this season.

Not sure where to post this but some Sparties were talking about how 'embarrassing' the Duck loss was for UofM. The Ducks are a gnats ass from being undefeated. It's not embarrassing to lose to a top 10 team...especially this year. The Ducks will be top 5 after tomorrows poll.

Full disclosure: I know that UofM lost to Appy St.

Full disclosure: I know that UofM lost to Appy St.

That would make a nice sig, just so it could be present in every post.

Done.

Just the AP poll but the mighty UofM climbs to 15.

AP Top 25RkTeamPoints

1Ohio State (59) 1615
2Boston College (1) 1501
3LSU (3) 1478
4Oregon1417
5Oklahoma1365
6Arizona State (2) 1310
7West Virginia1286
8Kansas1164
9Missouri1121
10Georgia949
11Virginia Tech823
12Hawaii776
13USC742
14Texas728
15Michigan726
16Connecticut555
17Alabama547
18Florida532
19Auburn530
20South Florida392
21Wake Forest259
22Boise State259
23South Carolina196
24Tennessee165
25Clemson

Michigan: God's team.

Michigan: God's team.

What does that make Appalachian State?

UofM has no easy road with a big in-state rivalry, then Wisky who might have found it way after a couple of losses (at Wisky, btw) then the boys in pink or crimson or whatever.

We have to knock those douches out of the top spot.

I hate to do this because I know it will jinx Michigan, but look at this......

#10
#11
#12
#15

All lost today and #16 is trailing by 2 TD's right now. I'm not sure if you put a 2 loss USC and Florida behind Michigan, but Michigan could be a top 15 team going into next week possibly. Kinda scary considering where we were after two weeks in this season.

Not a bad call, almost cogent

What does that make Appalachian State?

Deicidists?

USA Today Poll:



1. Ohio State (56) 9-0 1,495
2. Boston College (3) 8-0 1,414
3. LSU 7-1 1,324
4. Oregon (1) 7-1 1,280
5. Oklahoma 7-1 1,269
6. Arizona State 8-0 1,221
7. West Virginia 7-1 1,177
8. Kansas 8-0 1,108
9. Missouri 7-1 983
10. Georgia 6-2 791
11. Hawaii 8-0 769
12. Texas 7-2 753
13. Virginia Tech 6-2 736
14. Michigan 7-2 701
15. USC 6-2 679
16. Auburn 6-3 454
17. Florida 5-3 451
18. Alabama 6-2 439
19. Wisconsin 7-2 422
20. Connecticut 7-1 419
21. South Florida 6-2 291
22. Boise State 7-1 218
23. Kentucky 6-3 159
24. Clemson 6-2 145
25. South Carolina 6-3 131
Others Receiving Votes
Virginia 119, California 118, Wake Forest 115, Purdue 107, Tennessee 64, Penn State 53, Illinois 21, Kansas State 20, Brigham Young 13, Oklahoma State 11, Cincinnati 8, Texas Tech 8, Vanderbilt 4, Houston 4, Colorado 2, Florida State 2, Oregon State 2.
Dropped From Rankings
Virginia 18, California 20, PENNST 22.

So let me get this straight...

There are 4 teams in the top 25 that have 3 losses. All four of those teams come from... THE SEC!!!

Can we PLEASE stop fucking overrating them? Give me a break. I hate college football sometimes.

I still say Florida makes it to the National Championship. Urban Meyer has begun lobbying.

BCS

1 OSU
2 BC
3 LSU
4 Arizona St
5 Oregon
6 Oklahoma
7 West Virginia
8 Kansas
9 Missouri
10 Georgia
11 Virginia Tech
12 Michigan
13 Connecticut
14 Hawaii
15 Texas
16 Auburn
17 Alabama
18 South Florida
19 USC
20 Florida
21 Wisky
22 Boise State
23 Virginia
24 Wake Forest
25 Clemson

Oregon vs AZ St will be a good one next week.

So Georgia at 4 and AZ St losses are the 2 that might help us go to 10. Not sure if we'd jump over A St.

And BC down to FLA ST 3pts in the 4th.

BC goes down. So 3 teams ahead of UofM go down.

We didn't jump over any of the 3 teams ahead of us that lost yesterday in the AP.

1 Ohio State 10-0
2 LSU 8-1
3 Oregon 8-1
4 Kansas 9-0
5 Oklahoma 8-1
6 Missouri 8-1
7 West Virginia 7-1
8 Boston College 8-1
9 Arizona State 8-1
10 Georgia 7-2
11 Virginia Tech 7-2
12 Michigan 8-2

I guess losing early doesn't count anymore. I thought we had a chance to leapfrog Georgia. The computer wasn't impressed with a win over Sparty apparently.

AP

1
LSU (40) 1590
2Oregon (22) 1574
3Oklahoma (1) 1471
4Kansas (1) 1439
5West Virginia (1) 1340
6Missouri1336
7Ohio State1184
8Georgia1130
9Arizona State1122
10Virginia Tech1013
11USC924
12Texas859
13Hawaii827
14Florida814
15Clemson613
16Virginia539
17Boise State533
18Boston College527
19Tennessee488
20Illinois390
21Cincinnati305
22Kentucky283
23Michigan237
24Wisconsin182
25Connecticut127

One of those "oddball things: UM is still ahead of Wisconsin, but both are behind Illinois.

I'm amazed at the love LSU gets. They almost lost to Alabama, did lose to Kentucky, and their non con schedule is as big a joke as anybody's. Florida nearly beat 'em.

I'm not sure why West Virginia jumped Missouri. Could it be that stirring victory over a lousy Louisville team? That must be it.

I really wonder what is going to happen if Kansas wins out. Hell, even if Missouri or Oklahoma win out, it could be interesting. Would they deserve to play for the title more than Oregon?

I've read a couple stories that said KU doesn't go to the title game. Not sure if they have computer models that know the strength of Schedge?

It was getting fun again looking forward to the polls every week, but after losing to Wisky, it doens't matter anymore. I wonder how far we could have climbed if we beat Wisky and OSU?

Theres that if again...If the queen had a cock, she'd be the king.

I think LSU deserves the top spot over say oklahoma, wvu, missouri. I could see giving oregon the nod, but they lost at home to an unranked team. So that leaves Kansas, but Kansas really hasn't played anybody. LSU's non-conf. schedule included a demolition of virginia tech, so it is not that bad.

Xanadu:

I forgot about LSU beating VaTech. Having said that, If Kansas goes UNDEFEATED in a major conference that has a championship game, that should be good enough. They would have to beat Missouri and Oklahoma to do that.

Missou and WV 1 and 2. OSU and Georgia waiting in the wings

Missou and WV 1 and 2. OSU and Georgia waiting in the wings

That's a game nobody could have predicted if it stays that way.

Hopefully it does. Plus I wanna see OSU-USC in the Rose Bowl.