Had to be done.

Have at it, boys.

I'm on board.

Edit: perhaps initially too hard, i am tired of watching carr playing not to lose. to be this unprepared for game should be his final indictment. michigan should have had better players at evey position.

perhaps an overreaction, but i am so sick of this team getting outcoached by every single team they play

We need an official "Put Ryan Mallett In" thread too.

What the hell was the point of going for 2 ! WHAT?!? THERE WAS NO SENSE BEHIND THOSE IDIOTIC 2 POINT CONVERSIONS!!!

A 7 YEAR OLD COULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT!

Potential candidates?

Les Miles?

Others?

Wow...I still can't believe it. If we can't beat Appalachian State, how in the HELL are we going to beat Dixson and Oregon and fat boy Weiss, especially since he knows all he'd have to do is start Demetrius Jones?

LET'S HIRE DANTONIO!!!!

STICKY THIS MOTHERFUCKER!!

Maybe Michigan should actually go out and look for a coach, instead of being lazy and "hiring from within." Can you think of a higher profile position? Michigan would have their choice of nearly every person in the entire world not named Pete Carroll.

Alas, it's only dreaming, because Michigan will end up hiring some schmuck from within as their next head coach.

We need an official "Put Ryan Mallett In" thread too.

He we go. That's why UM fans suck. This is the shit you guys were saying when Tom Brady was your starting qb and Henson was on the bench. That's why I HATE when UM fans claim Brady. You guys bail on your players faster than any other fans. Put the blaim on Carr like the stand up fans here, not on your Heisman canidate. Players deserve blaim too, but this was a team not being prepared and Carr just admitted it on the radio.

I was actually sort've kidding when I said that, Tre.

I've said it for years, Lloyd Carr SUCKS. I think he is an asshole and the last few years he's proved he sucks as a coach. He could do one thing and one thing only, beat the teams he is supposed to. Now he can't even do that.

With that being said Michigan fans, your team will be fine. They'll go to a major bowl. They'll have a tough time with Oregon, but they'll beat ND and most of the rest of their schedule. Carr is the reason for not going undefeated though.

You're right, I've never been a Henne fan though.

I've never thought he was a special player, but he doesn't deserve the blaim. Players have bad games. He didn't cost you the game. He also completed a clutch 50 yd pass to Mario to win the game at the end. It wasn't his fault the fg was missed. Let's face it, Ron English and Lloyd Carr have no idea how to stop a spread offense or speed.

Zippy is going to be in all his glory. I've never seen a UM fan that hates Carr more than Zip.

I bet there are a good portion of Michigan die hards that are happy this happened.

It's about the only way to get rid of Carr.

I just wish they wouldn't wait until the end of the season. He should pull a Bobby Ross and just quit tomorrow.

I've never thought he was a special player, but he doesn't deserve the blaim. Players have bad games. He didn't cost you the game. He also completed a clutch 50 yd pass to Mario to win the game at the end. It wasn't his fault the fg was missed. Let's face it, Ron English and Lloyd Carr have no idea how to stop a spread offense or speed.

Hard to argue with any of that.

And LOL @ Zip the next week or so.

Michigan's next head coach:
[smilie=Martz]

How awesome would that be?

Somebody that knows how to utilize the talent that's there.

Martz has the attitude/arrogance for the job, too.

I like that idea, Mo!

IMO this was Carr's last dance no matter the outcome. Way too many insiders have hinted at the fact that this would be his last season win or lose. So I don't think this did much there. They aren't going to change the coach after the first game. Won't happen.

The one positive that will come out of this though will probably be the willingness of all that are involved in the coach search to look outside of Michigan and to look for someone inivative. Had UM went to the Rose Bowl this year, they would've hired a "Michigan Man." Now, I bet they'll get more creative.

Martz would be the perfect fit for the UM faithful.

This is not so much about getting rid of Carr, because that is gonna be hella hard.

But maybe this means Debord definitely will not be the next coach that scares me more than anything.

Michigan ran a vanilla offense and defense thinking the game would be over by the half, not realizing that when was the last time a game was over at the half?

There you go Tre generalizing. 1 UM fan said something like that and now we all suck. Nice job as usual.

nah, I was kidding when I said that.

I'm not going to be able to sleep tonight.

This is not so much about getting rid of Carr, because that is gonna be hella hard.

But maybe this means Debord definitely will not be the next coach that scares me more than anything.

Michigan ran a vanilla offense and defense thinking the game would be over by the half, not realizing that when was the last time a game was over at the half?

There you go Tre generalizing. 1 UM fan said something like that and now we all suck. Nice job as usual.

You are right, I should have said "some" UM fans suck. I did acknowledge the "stand up" fans after I made that comment though. I base alot of my generalizations off of what I deal with from my friends. Many of them go bandwagon on players and the team, that's why I generalize at times. I didn't mean for the generalization this time and as beau said, he was joking.

I have to give Appalachian State credit though, that blocked FG will probably end up being the best play of the year.

While Carr won't be fired after this game, it wouldn't surprise me if the special teams coach was. TWO blocked field goals!!!!

This is not so much about getting rid of Carr, because that is gonna be hella hard.

But maybe this means Debord definitely will not be the next coach that scares me more than anything.

Michigan ran a vanilla offense and defense thinking the game would be over by the half, not realizing that when was the last time a game was over at the half?

There you go Tre generalizing. 1 UM fan said something like that and now we all suck. Nice job as usual.

From this it appears that you want DeBord to be the Coach.? Is that accurate?

What the hell was the point of going for 2 ! WHAT?!? THERE WAS NO SENSE BEHIND THOSE IDIOTIC 2 POINT CONVERSIONS!!!

A 7 YEAR OLD COULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT!

bing-o.

honestly, wtf? 2 pt conversions in the 3rd qrter? NEVER!! the reason you dont go for 2 is because you get them less than 1/2 the time. with so much time left on the board, it was just as likely that we would score 2 td' to their 1 fg, as it was that we would score 1 td and 1 fg (tie).

unfortunately, the former happened and instead of backing into a tie we were losing. fucking fucking fucking stupid. lloyd carr is an asshole. letting appalachian state come into our stadium and bowl over us... lets face it, it could have been worse if ASU was actually executing better. this is embarrassing, and its only going to get worse. what a waste of a great season. how can 2/3 of those guys even look mike hart in the face?

It was a bad move to go for 2, but APPY would have scored a TD in those 30 seconds. Moot. Move on.

that MAY be true. how bout asu leaving 30 seconds on the clock as another bone head move? if your affraid of fumbling, why not atleast take a knee?

how can 2/3 of those guys even look mike hart in the face?

How are all of them going to look Lloyd in the face?

bing-o.

honestly, wtf? 2 pt conversions in the 3rd qrter? NEVER!! the reason you dont go for 2 is because you get them less than 1/2 the time. with so much time left on the board, it was just as likely that we would score 2 td' to their 1 fg, as it was that we would score 1 td and 1 fg (tie).

unfortunately, the former happened and instead of backing into a tie we were losing. fucking fucking fucking stupid. lloyd carr is an asshole. letting appalachian state come into our stadium and bowl over us... lets face it, it could have been worse if ASU was actually executing better. this is embarrassing, and its only going to get worse. what a waste of a great season. how can 2/3 of those guys even look mike hart in the face?

Mike Hart's the only reason I have to continue watching Michigan football this year. This must have been how Lions fans felt with Barry Sanders.

Good call, Shags. He's still the only bright spot for this season.

So in the last year and a half to 2 years we've heard cries of Fire Carr, Fire Millen, Fire Saunders, and I remember someone else saying we should fire Leyland.

Don't forget about all of their predecessors. Mariucci, Dave Lewis, Trammell... not to mention Amaker and JLS.

It's tough to coach in the Detroit area.

Maybe Mich should hire the Appalachian St coach.

Another candidate would have to be Jim Harbau...um, nevermind.

I blame the Big Ten Network.

Apparently appalachian state's qb knew exactly what type of defense michigan would run and how to beat it. I t must be nice to have a coach with a game plan.

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/09/audio_appalachian_state_coach.html

Fire Dantonio

Don't forget about all of their predecessors. Mariucci, Dave Lewis, Trammell... not to mention Amaker and JLS.

It's tough to coach in the Detroit area.
More proof that that dickhead LB was the best thing to happen to detroit in awhile. Who cares if he's a cunt. he was a cunt waffle who could coach.

Someone should also create the "Fire Jim Hermann... I mean Ron English Thread".

it is amazing to me that he didn't change the defensive scheme one bit despite its obvious flaws from last year. app state knew exactly how to beat from watching films. these hapless, unprepared coaches need to leave. You can't compare them to other coaches, because michigan should have had an advantage at every position against app state and the coaches were utterly and entirely unprepared plus they seem incapable of making game plans specific to the whatever team they are playing.

if the coaches weren't planning to bother making a gameplan, they should told long to go to the pros.

The last time I've seen Michigan coaches have a nice game plan for a spread offense was a few years ago at Purdue when the blitzed the hell out of them and forced mistakes. Emphasis on a few years ago.

UM needs new players too. Does this need a different thread? The players were MUCH worse than a coach, who was admittedly bad.

They were in position to make a lot of plays.

UM needs new players too. Does this need a different thread? The players were MUCH worse than a coach, who was admittedly bad.

They were in position to make a lot of plays.

You do have to make the plays, however if you think the players were worse than the coach, I think you need to think it over again. The players can't choose the defensive scheme and they can't form the gameplan for stopping a spread offense. When a team full of 4 and 5 star talent loses to a IAA school, it is coaching. It is your job as a coach to prepare your players and have a good game plan. The coaches even stated prior to the game that they weren't going to show much so that Oregon couldn't prepare as well. The coaches assumed they'd have no problem and it cost them.

Watched the entire game tre, couldn't count the missed tackles. They made a fool of their coach.

Of course the "get them in position" thing fits, and he did a poor job of exploiting strengths, but the players were awful.

Don't buy into the ignorant UM fan's "just blame carr" take, just like it wasn't all jls's fault our guys jumped offsides 10X per game last year. sure, you can work on it, but the kids still have to execute.

I didn't actually see the game except for highlights. However, I think tackling and general player development are also coaching responsibilities. I just can't imagine that a d1aa team has more talent than michigan did. anyways, from what i have read the defense had no idea how to set up and react to the app state offense in the first half, which is very much on the coaching staff. since, i didn't see the game i can't comment too much though.

I didn't actually see the game except for highlights. However, I think tackling and general player development are also coaching responsibilities.

100% true. It is the responsibility of the coaching staff to ready the team. But it is the job of the player to execute.

I am not absolving LC of any responsibility, he sucked. But so did everyone else, and they were the ones playing the game and making the greatest errors.

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interesting opinion piece from ann arbor news, maybe not that interesting but puts most people's opinion in print. i wouldn't want meyer and doubt he'd leave florida anyway. it is interesting that there are only 3 provisions, so i guess he wants to come back to the midwest at some point.

http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/index.ssf/2007/09/carty_sometimes_the_game_tells.html

"..............i wouldn't want meyer "

Sweet Creepin' Jesus. Why take Meyer wghen you can have Carr?....Glug, glug, glug....."more Blue-Ade sir...."

"..............i wouldn't want meyer "

Sweet Creepin' Jesus. Why take Meyer wghen you can have Carr?....Glug, glug, glug....."more Blue-Ade sir...."

You're right! the exact sentiment of my post was i would prefer carr to meyer, despite all my posts in this thread saying that it is time for carr to go + the link to an article. meyer is a great and effective coach, but i find him irritating much like yourself.

thanks for another worthless post

"the exact sentiment of my post was i would prefer carr to meyer,"

Works for me.

Honestly, I wouldn't want Urban Meyer either. He's a great football coach and would probably bring a couple of National Championships, but I just don't like him. Obviously Michigan could do worse.

Honestly, I wouldn't want Urban Meyer either. He's a great football coach and would probably bring a couple of National Championships, but I just don't like him. Obviously Michigan could do worse.

HipDigIt, you THOUGHT you'd seen everything. Houston, we've discovered the problem at Michigan: They don't want a guy who can build three different schools into winners, and would love to return to the midwest.
We have posters who don;t understand "posturing", as in "Well, I can;t actually make it seem that my bags are still packed while I'm here at Florida"
Hopefully, since you guys reject Meyer, maybe Les Miles, who would probably leave RIGHT NOW for Ann Arbor is good enough.
Anyone who doesn't want Lloyd Carr out of town yesterday, you deserve what you get.
I think the Sparties would love for Lloyd to hang around another three years.

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Wait a minute, am I hearing this right? Some of you wouldn't want Meyer even though he's good because you don't like his personality????!!! You have Lloyd Carr right now, anything is an upgrade when it comes to personality.

Wait a minute, am I hearing this right? Some of you wouldn't want Meyer even though he's good because you don't like his personality????!!! You have Lloyd Carr right now, anything is an upgrade when it comes to personality.

You sir, are a genius.

Lloyd Carr's follies with the media are legendary. Who can forget "Why would you ask such a stupid question"? Carr has the personalit of, well, a wolverine. He's just not quite as charming as a hungry wolverine. Nor is he as handsome. He is, in fact, a complete asshole who harbors incompetent assistants (the latest being Ron English), OR he hampers competent assistants with his overall stamp on the program.
Michigan people who say they don;t like Meyer are just PO'd because Meyer PR'd his way into the BCS championship game. Fuckin' A, the guy did UM a favor by doing that, saving them another national TV embarrassment.

***Colin Cowherd Blast #2: Ohio State fans should NOT be happy about this, because now UM will go out and get a good coach. OSU fans want lLoyd to do well enough to stick around so the Buckeyes can continue to dominate UM.
Jeff Tedford turned Cal around in a year, he could turn Michigan around in a half.

As a Notre Dame fan, I'd like to see Lloyd Carr coach another 15 years.

sometimes you can bump into lloyd walking around ann arbor and sometimes he'll take a few minutes out of his day and talk a minute. i like lloyd's personallity. the media is more or less a necessary evil of sports, but that doesnt mean you have to be civil towards it.

Meyer isn't going to leave florida next year anyway so it doesn't matter. i just don't like the guy, and i don't want to see him cry when he loses and talk non-stop when he wins. besides, i could see him dumping michigan for ohio state when tressel leaves. i would definitely like to see tedford, spurrier, or any other coach that could actually use the quarterbacks and receivers that we tend to get. i guess we'll have to see who we can poach.

You don;t have to be civil towards the media if you lack the understanding that they can help you.
While we're at it, how about this Bill Martin? He's about a fuckjob himself. Wasn't the Fab Five laughing all the way to the bank on his watch?
This guy has overseen the complete destruction of Michigan basketball, the gradual, very noticeable erosion of Michigan football ("Lloyd?" "Yes, Bill?" "You just went 7-5. We NEED to talk" "OK, About what?" "Well, how about a $300,000.00 a year raise good buddy!" "Ok Bill. Sounds good. And by the way, we need a twelfth game in 2007, give Appalachian State a call")
Yup, it's time we take a look at a "Top-Down" cleaning of the Big House. Start with Martin, and work your way down through everyone currently associated with football at UM.

As a Notre Dame fan, I'd like to see Lloyd Carr coach another 15 years.

As a Michigan State fan, I'd like to see Lloyd at Michigan for another 15 and Charlie Weis at ND for another 20. No offense, but speaking of arrogant frauds.

sometimes you can bump into lloyd walking around ann arbor and sometimes he'll take a few minutes out of his day and talk a minute. i like lloyd's personallity. the media is more or less a necessary evil of sports, but that doesnt mean you have to be civil towards it.

Lloyd Carr cries about something every other loss he has and he acts like a dick toward anyone remotely questioning him or his decision making. Maybe he's a good person outside of football, but professionally he's an asshole.

Lloyd Carr cries about something every other loss he has and he acts like a dick toward anyone remotely questioning him or his decision making. Maybe he's a good person outside of football, but professionally he's an asshole.

LLoyd Carr has absolutely NO respect outside of the walls of Ft Schembechler. Other coaches have spoken out about him, Appy State players said they KNEW what was coming (a common criticism over the years). Lloyd is a pariah outside of Michigan, a fucking joke. He gives national sports talk show hosts fifteen minutes of good material every week. Even local hacks in other towns rake his ass over the coals.
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I'll never forget the "why would you ask a stupid question like that" response. I was sitting with my father in-law and a group of other Michigan fans. He was giving me a hard time saying, "how can you not like Michigan?" Seriously, 2 minutes later Carr drops the asshole responses and look of death toward the reporter. I looked at my father in-law and said, "That's why I hate Michigan." He didn't say a word and the room was silent in embarrassment.

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The following is a replay of a vicious attack of an innocent Ohio State Buckeye football player by none other than Lloyd Carr. Is THIS who we want representing our great State University?

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While we're at it, how about this Bill Martin? He's about a fuckjob himself. Wasn't the Fab Five laughing all the way to the bank on his watch?

I think Martin came along after the FF, Tom Goss was in there at some point, but it might even pre-date him, too.

What the hell was the point of going for 2 ! WHAT?!? THERE WAS NO SENSE BEHIND THOSE IDIOTIC 2 POINT CONVERSIONS!!!

A 7 YEAR OLD COULD HAVE FIGURED THAT OUT!

I didn't understand that either. At the time I was mad. He went for 2 the first time to be within a FG. That was still in the 3rd quarter! So you are telling your team at that point that you don't think you'll score another TD. Because if you did think you would score another TD, you can go for the 2 if you need it then. Carr basically told his team he had no confidence in their ability to score in the 4th quarter by chasing points in the 3rd. That was plain stupid.

And how can you not be prepared for a mobile QB when that has killed us since McNabb was scrambling around? That was in 1998, but I can't seem to find any stats on that (maybe someone has a good college football site that will).

He is a mediocre game coach. That is a fact.

He is an excellent recruiter. That is a fact.

One of these is the reason why UM is always to highly ranked, and gets upset. UM doesn't have much, if any more to sell from a historical standpoint than PSU, Bama, USC, ND, or any other tradition bound program. They were never made to be a top 10 team every year, except by Carr going above and beyond the standard, where those other teams have fallen down some years.

Carr is one of the winningest coaches out there. Please fire him from a State fan's perspective, yes it will quite possibly lead to less upset wins/good games. However, UM will most likely drop after Carr, so there will be less upsets, due to being favorites.

Having seen people get recruited by Carr, he is 100x the salesman he gets credit for, which allowed him to shell Cooper, Williams, JLS, Alvarez, and every other team not coach other than Belotti for many years. Now Carroll and Tressell have put him down. But Michigan is still a top 10 program seemingly year in and year out. PSU, Bama, USC(until recently), ND, A&M, FSU and so on -- cannot make that claim.

Is UM really on another level from those programs? I don't think so. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Coaching turmoil rarely results in a Tressell being hired to take a team from 10-2 to 12-0, it much more often takes teams from 10-2 to 7-5(Post Solich, Spurrier ....)

Go ahead and fire Carr, but don't expect better results.

im about ready to move on, but lloyd gets WAY too much hate. agreed.

name me a more successful program in recent history. the list isnt too long. plus lloyd recruits a solid, scandal free, high graduation rate (hargaugh!) program. we're not the first program to get fat off weak competition. and yea, it could be better. but powerhouses come and go, but we've been pretty consistent. yes, lloyd is predictable, but thats not entirely bad.

look at fsu, or nebraska, as examples. or the embarrasments that are OSU and USC's "amateur" athletic programs.

lloyd isnt a first choice, but im not willing to say anyone could do better by any means.

Go ahead and fire Carr, but don't expect better results.
Whoa there buddy, this isnt MSU where the coaching carousel never stops. Dont know what to expect. And you definitely don't. Just because its been hectic since Saban bailed doesnt make that the fate of every other program.

I would counter that the primary reasons that fsu and psu are struggling are related to the fact that the game has passed by bowden and paterno. They still have decent teams from time to time, but each 5-year period is worse than the previous 5-year period. If you look at usc, they faded terribly when they went back to john robinson as coach. The same is happening to carr. It's been years and he hasn't figured out how to stop mobile quarterbacks, and it is getting worse rather than better. There is always a risk that you'll get a worse coach, but it's something you have to deal with in order to prevent a fade into mediocrity. in college, you have to keep innovating to be successful at the highest levels.

All I know is we will NEVER win the title with Carr here. You can be happy with winning a lot with a solid but not special coach, I'm not. I'd rather risk the 9-4 seasons for a chance at greatness.

I can't complain about what Carr has done for Michigan in the long term, as greatly posted by DSC, but Michigan is capable of much more. With the talent that Michigan has, (unquestioned) they should run like a well-oiled machine and be in the hunt for an NC year in and year out.

The reality is Carr's flaws are so evident it hampers M's ability to win (usually big) games. He is so behind the pack in terms of an offensive gameplan (just implementing the shotgun this year) and his defense has still failed to adjust to spread offenses with mobile qb's. Don't get me wrong, the guy has done a phenomenal job at Michigan, but the game has passed him by a bit and it's time for a young, aggressive, energetic guy at the helm. (I guess we now know Ron English is not the answer) I think it would be great to go outside the program for the first time since we hired Bo Schembechler from Miami (OH) and was an OSU grad.

I agree with that Mood.

Lloyd's major problem is the lack of adjustment. We all know which games he's going to win, and which games he's going to lose (exception: last weekend). I'm not sure if this is still correct, but I think I heard that in the last 10 years he's in the top 3 or 4 coaches in # of games won. That's great, but with the exception of last year, we haven't been in a National Championship hunt in October/November since '97.

He's predictable. I seriously can handle an 9-4 season as long as it's a rebuilding year. The problem is that Lloyd will have a 9-4 season in a rebuilding year, and then a 9-4 season in a year when Michigan should be a NC contender.

You can count on a few of things with him:
- A September loss
- A bowl loss
- Never running up a score
- Playing down to the level of their opponents
- A loss to OSU

Michigan can't have that every year.

Whoa there buddy, this isnt MSU where the coaching carousel never stops. Dont know what to expect. And you definitely don't. Just because its been hectic since Saban bailed doesnt make that the fate of every other program.

You want some other examples:

Michigan's carousel in the early 90's.
Nebraska when they fired Solich for Callahan.
The Lion's Fontes/Ross debacle.
Oklahoma after Switzer.
Notre Dame a few times.

And so on...

Just because you fire a coach with flaws doesn't mean you will become better.

I agree with that Mood.

Lloyd's major problem is the lack of adjustment. We all know which games he's going to win, and which games he's going to lose (exception: last weekend). I'm not sure if this is still correct, but I think I heard that in the last 10 years he's in the top 3 or 4 coaches in # of games won. That's great, but with the exception of last year, we haven't been in a National Championship hunt in October/November since '97.

He's predictable. I seriously can handle an 9-4 season as long as it's a rebuilding year. The problem is that Lloyd will have a 9-4 season in a rebuilding year, and then a 9-4 season in a year when Michigan should be a NC contender.

You can count on a few of things with him:
- A September loss
- A bowl loss
- Never running up a score
- Playing down to the level of their opponents
- A loss to OSU

Michigan can't have that every year.

9-4 in a rebuilding year?

Wow. That is some hard standards to uphold.

Hey, I get what you're trying to do DSC, and that's NOT FAIR!
I can see through this ruse: Yoiu WANT Michigan to keep Carr! All you Sparties want Michigan to keep Carr. All the Buckeyes do too. And so do the Trojans!
It's not going to work. Carr will be gone, and Michigan will get better.

Hey, I get what you're trying to do DSC, and that's NOT FAIR!
I can see through this ruse: Yoiu WANT Michigan to keep Carr! All you Sparties want Michigan to keep Carr. All the Buckeyes do too. And so do the Trojans!
It's not going to work. Carr will be gone, and Michigan will get better.

I'd rather win as the favorite and talk trash from above than have the upsets and 'overrated' chants as my only options. So no, I'm cool with Carr going.

Oh, NOW you probably want me to say: Wait, DON'T fire him! Keep him! OK, the Sparties are pretending to not like him so they can pretend to like him and pretend to not like him!
YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING GENIUS!!!!!

Oh, NOW you probably want me to say: Wait, DON'T fire him! Keep him! OK, the Sparties are pretending to not like him so they can pretend to like him and pretend to not like him!
YOU GUYS ARE FUCKING GENIUS!!!!!

No really, I'm cool with you firing the coach that was the winningest in the 96-06 decade(if I remember correctly). Literally winningest, better than Texas, USC, Florida, and so on.

Fire him fast. Bring in someone who will lose more.

9-4 in a rebuilding year?

Wow. That is some hard standards to uphold.

Yes. OSU can do it. USC can do it. LSU can do it. Why can't Michigan? Florida lost 5 games a couple of years in a row, but they had an idiot for a coach.

High standards aren't a bad thing.

You want some other examples:

Michigan's carousel in the early 90's.
Nebraska when they fired Solich for Callahan.
The Lion's Fontes/Ross debacle.
Oklahoma after Switzer.
Notre Dame a few times.

And so on...

Just because you fire a coach with flaws doesn't mean you will become better.

Michigan had a carousel in the early 90's? It was just schembecler (heart problems-retired), moeller (fired for drunken disturbance) and carr.

No really, I'm cool with you firing the coach that was the winningest in the 96-06 decade.

Kids WANT to come to UofM, imo. Carr gets credit for being a good recruiter but the schools tradition helps out plenty, so I'm not convinced we've had that winning percentage because of Carr. I think it should have been higher.

Kids WANT to come to UofM, imo. Carr gets credit for being a good recruiter but the schools tradition helps out plenty, so I'm not convinced we've had that winning percentage because of Carr. I think it should have been higher.

How much more tradition do you have than:
Bama
Texas
USC
Florida
ND
PSU
Miami
FSU
OU

???

Perhaps I am mistaken but while UM has tons of tradition, they aren't alone in that. How can you say that being better than all of these programs is not enough?

Kids (used to) WANT to come to UofM, imo.

Maybe you missed the memo, but they don't wear Nike anymore.

Maybe you missed the memo, but they don't wear Nike anymore.

Not only that, but Fred Smith is workin' it, baby.

Kids WANT to come to UM, imo. Carr gets credit for being a good recruiter but the schools tradition helps out plenty, so I'm not convinced we've had that winning percentage because of Carr. I think it should have been higher.
I agree. The talent of the teams were not reflective in the records. Last years team was better than it faired easily imo. Either way Carr is no deciding factor in recruiting, assuming as much is premature. His replacement would have to be an average recruiter to fill in for him.

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September 6, 2007

Well, the dust is starting to settle a little bit from the carnage that was left in the Big House on Saturday, and it’s time to analyze this situation for the 47 millionth time.

Boys, life is about choices. You make some good ones, you make some bad ones. Sometimes you even choose not to choose. Doesn’t matter, that’s still a choice. A little over a decade ago, Gary Moeller made a choice to get sloshed and have a fight with the police somewhere in Michigan, and the University of Michigan made a choice to can him over it. Michigan was then faced with a choice of whom to hire to replace Moeller as football coach.

Read this complete Morning Constitutional here. (http://www.wtfdetroit.com/index.php?page=morning9607)

Brian Kelly?

I don;t think there is any question that it should be Les Miles.
Are you kidding? He has a picture of BO on the wall behind his desk. HE is a "Michigan Man".
He turned Okie State around a bit, then bolted for LSU. Why would you want to have to go through that gauntlet in the SEC year in and year out? Friggin' Florida, last years National Champion, almost lost a couple games themselves!!
You leave LSU and the SEC to come to Michigan where they have had it up to HERE with Lloyd Carr, and you immediately are the King of Michigan.

Though I'm with Zip. I like Miles. He looks all business. Recruiting to LSU hasn't seemed to skip a beat under his watch. Seems a natural. 2 guys I like outside of the Michigan circle are Grobe from Wake. If that fucking guy can win there no one will play him at Michigan. Another sleeper is Jim Leavitt at the U of South Florida, who very quietly and methodically is building a formidable program there in Tampa. If memory serves USF served up Rutgers their loss last year. I know its' a stretch for U-M to go out of the family but they'd be a couple of interesting sleepers. While I think Kelly can be a dick he impresses me. He could be pretty interesting in A2 as well.

While I think Kelly can be a dick he impresses me. He could be pretty interesting in A2 as well.

That might be a positive attribute for this job.

Talk about moving up the ladder quickly.

If he can go from GVSU->CMU->Cincy->UM in under 5 years, then maybe he should run for President, too.

Pffft. How is Kelly going to get talent like Kirkus and Anes at UofM?

Kelly got no chance.
Anybody think it's going to be anyone other than Miles, I've got one dollar to bet.

Any holdouts still?

i dont buy your "henne didnt grow" argument against lloyd.

1) he's tutored too many qb's into excellent players to put that on lloyd.

2) henne had a premier wr w/ braylon his frosh year. manningham is good, but he's 1/2 the wr braylon was.

Any possibility we could get Darko to chime in on LC?

i dont buy your "henne didnt grow" argument against lloyd.

1) he's tutored too many qb's into excellent players to put that on lloyd.

2) henne had a premier wr w/ braylon his frosh year. manningham is good, but he's 1/2 the wr braylon was.

You're right. I forgot the magic Lloyd worked with Drew Henson, who left UM to play baseball; Tom Brady, who Lloyd coached into being a sixth round draft choice; and who can forget the magic he worked with John Navarre.
You want to give him Griese? Well, maybe Bob Griese, his father, just didn;t have anything to do with Brian being a great leader and college QB.
Under Lloyd, there can be no argument that Henne has regressed quite a bit since his freshman year.

Watching Lloyds presser last night when he said 'a loss to Ap St isn't going to get me down, a loss to Oregon isn't going to get me down, me losing my job won't get me down" Kind of reminded me of that one Iraqi General doing an interview telling the press at the begining of the war that 'we are in complete control' as US tanks rolled through the streets behind him. Now it turns out the General might have been more correct than what it appeared at the time, but you get my drift.

Notice, too, that it was All About Lloyd. I guess he needed more time to think before throwing the players, coaches, and refs under the bus again, because this loss was so bad.
So he decided to talk about himself for the whole time.
Who gives a fuck about Lloyd at this point?
It's alot easier to be your old, tough self when you're extorting 2 Mill a year from your employer.

Good point. Great point actually. The University is much larger than any one person. Especially a person that hasn't done much.

From the press conference, I think that Lloyd has pretty much quit already. He is just playing out the string. While I think he is a pretty mediocre game coach, he did well at michigan around the turn of the century. Hopefully, he'll enjoy retirement.

So who deserves to get fired more, Lloyd or Millen?

Howabout the two switch jobs? And we can tape it into a reality show.

CoachSwap?

I'm thinking its time for a Les Miles appreciation thread or LM rumors to la Casa Grande thread.

Ok, the writing has been on the wall that Lloyd is on his way out. If not this year then next will be his last. We all know he won't get fired and will have to retire, but it's never been a better time to debate who is in line to succeed him. The obvious choice would be Les Miles, but what other high caliber coaches do you think would be interested?

I've been on the Les Miles train for a couple years, but one thing makes me think twice about him: He's about 54. He's made no secret of his desire to be in Ann Arbor, but what if he decides that the time is past? Especially if he wins an NC at LSU?
He's got some things to ponder, such as does he have the energy left to make that kind of move with regard to how long does he actually want to coach.
I think he'll say "yes" if he gets the call.
Other choices for me: Jeff Tedford of Cal.

Actually, I heard that UM is taking a look at Tom Izzo.

i think 54 is the young side of middle aged for coaching. i dont think his age is a factor at all.

this has essentially been the topic in the fire lloyd thread, check it out

That's some good moding right there. Seriously.

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I didn't finish cuz I didn't have too. I wanted to go off on him, but the FACTS are on his side. He's right.

Its time for a change before its too late.

Great find, btw.

Unless there is a serious change of heart, I still do not see Miles as the next coach.

No matter what the national media says.

I can put in a good word for you guys with Bobby Williams if you want him. I hear he is a "players coach."

Unless there is a serious change of heart, I still do not see Miles as the next coach.

No matter what the national media says.

Care to elaborate? Les Miles has never kept it a secret that his final destination is Ann Arbor.

I have this feeling Les Miles is almost as sure of a thing to be U of M's head coach as you can get. The other day Valenti said he has some "burned bridges" with U of M and that will be a big factor as to why Miles won't be Michigans next HC. For one, I don't know what these "burned bridges" are, he knew damn well he wasn't going to be Bo's succesor and I don't think he holds any animosity towards U of M for that seeing as how what he's been able to accomplish at Oklahoma State and LSU. It's a perfect fit for him here, he will dominate the recruiting grounds in the North and South and shake up the offense completely, I can't even begin to think the type of things Les and his staff could do w/ a QB like Mallett (kind of a poor man's JaMarcus Russell in that he's slow, huge, and has a gun slinger of an arm), on top of that having RB's like Brandon Minor & Sam McGuffie.

He likely would take some brusies in the first year, as I think next year U of M will take yet another step back and build itself up for '09 and '10. Valenti says Les will never come here, yet from a national standpoint, others such as Pat Forde etc. seem to think he definetly will. I just think Valenti doesn't want him to come to U of M. And who could blame him?

and Bo Pelini could really work wonders on that defense if he's not handed a coaching job elsewhere next year...

Unless there is a serious change of heart, I still do not see Miles as the next coach.

No matter what the national media says.


Why? He hasn't denied it, and I bet deep down, it's his dream job. He's had so much success at LSU in such a short time, yet fans and boosters still give him heat and call for his head. Since LSU Football is the only thing in Louisiana, the pressure won't be AS demanding as it was in LSU...IMO. SEC Football is a bigger deal than Big Ten football.

I think he would, and will, come here.

The infamous Wil Ledezma reappears. haha

Small quote.

"3 years ago certain U-M commits were telling us that Mile was calling them and saying, "Coach Carr has XXX (serious illness) and has made the decision that after Signing Day he is gonna announce his retirement ... hasn't Carr told you?"

(this is just one small example ... )"

That did not go over well inside the Fort.


BTW this all comes down to how much say Carr will have in the matter. He will still wield some no matter how bad they lose this season, but there is no way English or Debord even sniff the HC job now, unless they run the table, which not even with my bluest of blue and maiziest of maze colored glasses on do I believe that happens.

I wouldnt mind seeing Tedford or the Navy guy, Coach Johnson get a serious sniff.

I dont really care for guys like Ferentz. Nice guy. Can win. But I want to get away from the conservative persona that we have had.

I want a young coach who has that fire.

UMs biggest problem over the last 5 years has been Carr. He is a super guy, but he didnt want to change with the times and it is showing up this season more than ever.

Miles does want the job. I am not saying that he does not.

But there is a lot of negativity with him regarding to recruiting and there is no way they bring in a guy that has a hint of something fishy in his past whether he is a Carr guy, Bo guy or Fritz guy....no frigging way. Miles has that stench all over him.

BTW the fans at LSU wouldnt mind seeing Miles gone. Take a look at their message boards (I heard this 2nd hand, I have not actually gone and checked myself).

I am not a huge Miles guy, but I would want him if he brought Pelini with him.

For these Blue Tub Thumpers to think that Tedford is going to leave Berserkly is delusional. They just did stadium renovations and he signed an extension. Not only that but he has a full cupboard of SPEED. Here's an unpopular prediction. If Lloyd loses more than 4 games HE'LL BE BACK!!! That'll be a hoot.

I think they waited too long and should have grabbed Cam Cameron when they had the chance.

Hip you might be right. I could see Michigan kindof trying to push Lloyd out, but I could also see him saying, give me one more year, one more shot, you owe me that much. I'd like it. I think there will be a change though, will be very interesting to see who takes it.

Tree huggers are trying to block everything that Cal football is trying to do.

He is getting tired of it. I said that I would like him. I never said he was a viable candidate.

Lloyd was retiring after this year. He just wanted to go out on top in order to try and get his guy a shot at the top job.

Next year, no Hart, Henne or Long....I doubt Carr comes back. It would be almost as big a shock as App State beating them.

I'll play tub thumper. If UM does this right, and Lloyd GOES THE FUCK AWAY, they can get just about anyone they want. Period.

I'll play tub thumper. If UM does this right, and Lloyd GOES THE FUCK AWAY, they can get just about anyone they want. Period.


It won't be Coach Tedford.

Of course I won't take that one; I think it's gonna be Miles.

I like Miles as the pick too. Makes sense but I remembered that he has a rocky relationship with A2. Then Artemis posted this earlier. Could be a curve ball.

"3 years ago certain U-M commits were telling us that Mile was calling them and saying, "Coach Carr has XXX (serious illness) and has made the decision that after Signing Day he is gonna announce his retirement ... hasn't Carr told you?"
(this is just one small example ... )"
That did not go over well inside the Fort."

I must agree with you that it IS an interesting time to be a Blue Fan. Mark my words if Lloyd loses more than FOUR (very iffy) HE'LL BE BACK!! I gotz a feeling.

I'll play tub thumper. If UM does this right, and Lloyd GOES THE FUCK AWAY, they can get just about anyone they want. Period.

Michigan arro....nevermind. haha Zip, Michigan can attract many terrific canidates but claiming they can get whoever they want is a stretch. I believe there are alot of programs out there that are in the same ballpark as Michigan in terms of program prestige, there are MANY that have that yet they have stronger recruiting talent pools around them (Florida area, Texas), there are MANY that share the same prestige yet they have much better quality of living with the weather, etc. Great canidates? Yes. Whoever they want? No.

Tre it is not just Michigan arrogance.

I dont have the link in front of me, but Michigan was ranked as the #1 HC football job by some hacks not affiliated with Michigan. ND was #2, USC #3 and so forth.

So please forgive Zip if he is a little overanxious, because he is being back up by the "national" media.

The national media is like statistics in that if you dig hard enough you will find what backs up what you are saying.

Don't forgive me, motha fuckas...
My not even tenuous connection to Michigan allows me to be arrogant AND overanxious.
All Ya'll motha fuckas know that Michigan can get any motha fucka they want any motha fuckin time they want him.
You can try to give me your bullshit about "this guy is locked up, or that guy loves coaching in Guam..." bullshit, but I ain't buying it.
That is interesting shit about Miles, and it is weird that he would say that about Michigan or Lloyd. My guess is that Lloyd actually put that out there because he knows he sucks ass and was worried about Miles taking his job.
If Lloyd comes back for ANY reason next year and doesn;t win a NC, UM moves to "National Joke" status, and I'm a Sparty for life.

Spartans for Life? I feel it!

Michigan arro....nevermind. haha Zip, Michigan can attract many terrific canidates but claiming they can get whoever they want is a stretch. I believe there are alot of programs out there that are in the same ballpark as Michigan in terms of program prestige, there are MANY that have that yet they have stronger recruiting talent pools around them (Florida area, Texas), there are MANY that share the same prestige yet they have much better quality of living with the weather, etc. Great canidates? Yes. Whoever they want? No.


Tre - Zip said just about anyone that they want. So you pretty much agreed with him.

Honestly, Michigan is a top 10 and probably a top 5 coaching position. People they can't get are Pete Carroll, Jim Tressell, Urban Meyer, Spurrier and the old guys (Joe Pa, Bowden, etc. but they wouldn't want them). Besides that, mostly everyone else is in fair play. (I'm sure that I forgot someone).

What a pain in the ass Hart was today, and how about all that time he missed, Tre?!

clearly he's more trouble than he's worth. i mean yea, he had a good game, but hasnt he ever heard of service with a smile? im shocked the students didnt just boooh him the whole game. who cares about performance when you maybe to handle yourself with complete professionalism.

Having a good game doesn't mean he didn't make mistakes as a leader last week. He was still ripped today in the Saginaw News for his ridiculous guarantee.

Wouldn't expect you to understand the argument, you hear one negative thing about the guy and all of a sudden assume we are ripping every single aspect of him and his game.

I mean, you guys can't even figure out the right thread to post this in. Slightly removed from rocket scientist intelligence.

It is your opinion that guaranteeing a victory is a mistake. I say it isn;t. He didn;t degrade Notre Dame, he just challenged his team to take it to the "next level" (quotes mine), and they responded. And he backed it up.
Now, quit avoiding the issue and own up to the bullshit you spewed for the last week. You were dead wrong about Hart, and your Sparties kicking Pitt's ass.

It is your opinion that guaranteeing a victory is a mistake. I say it isn;t. He didn;t degrade Notre Dame, he just challenged his team to take it to the "next level" (quotes mine), and they responded. And he backed it up.
Now, quit avoiding the issue and own up to the bullshit you spewed for the last week. You were dead wrong about Hart, and your Sparties kicking Pitt's ass.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! EVERYBODY ripped him for his guarantee and many thought his behavior was out of control. You are the minority, not me. And a Notre Dame game doesn't change anything, do you understand that? When I say everybody, I'm talking EVERYBODY around the country. You and a few Michigan fans are the only ones who believed that lame ass guarantee over an 0-2 team wasn't ridiculous. Hart was made fun of for it on nearly every sports talk show and every sports tv show last week. I wasn't wrong about anything in regards to Hart, I was dead on. Even Hart admitted during the game what I said about him, great player that talks waaay too much. He said that himself. Did ya hear it?

I believe his quote was "I don't know, maybe sometimes I talk too much"
So take your over emphasizing, exaggerating bullshit and shove it straight up your ass.
Unless, of course, that you can prove that EV-ER-Y-BODY was calling Hart crazy for his guarantee. Now, that's 300 MILLION people, Tre.
And yes, call me a Michigan Fan if I didn;t think that his guarantee wasn;t outrageous. I'm sorry, I don;t expect afleets to be perfect, to be the guardians of our nations morality and ethics (you Sparties have that under control), and yes, I do expet a young passionate kid to insert his foot into his mouth every so often.
In this case, I thought Hart stood on his principles, made a statement that in hindsight he seemed to regret a bit, but went out and kicked arse (horrid defensive arse).
Could be a turning point for this team, and that would be a good thing.

There was no "maybe" in that quote of Harts. He said I probably talk too much.

I think its funny that you play the whole, they are young card when it comes to stupid things that college athletes say. He's not that young. He's probably 21-22 (months away from being a professional athlete), not a dumb teenager. In addition, if they can handle all the praise they get, then they can take on criticism as well.

Funny because I guarantee if a Spartan athlete says something moronic, you'd be all over it.

But I guess I'll admit it Zip, Hart has never done anything wrong. He's absolutely perfect. That is the argument you're making right? Because you haven't been able to admit that he's made any sort of mistakes whatsoever.

So, he didn;t say he talks "waaaaaay too much"? Which is it, Mr Vascillation?
My tone isn't that Hart is perfect, only an idiot would make that leap. I ALWAYS play the "young" card BTW. Even with you. I can attribute alot of your moronic bullshit to being young. You'll grow, you'll learn.
I'm an existentialist: Along with the angst, there's hope. Hart is firy, and I'll buy his confession that he can talk too much. I got no problem with that at all, and neither would you if he WERE a Sparty, which, fortunately for him, he isn't.
As for him taking the criticism, I think he did face it. He didn;t do any rationalizing during those interview spots, didn't shy away from what he said, and wasn't defensive. And he delivered on the field. Kudos to Mike Hart.

I said he talks waaaaaaay too much. He admitted that he talks too much. Semantics.

Yeah, hopefully I learn and become more like Zip Goshboots with age. insert Rolling eyes

bump

We haven't forgotten about you, Lloyd.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/05/sports/ncaafootball/05lsu.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin


Hail to the Alma Mater

By PETE THAMEL
The New York Times

BATON ROUGE, La. — From his stiff-brimmed hat to his fiery demeanor and hands-on style, Louisiana State Coach Les Miles embodies the old-school discipline that Bo Schembechler defined for 21 seasons at Michigan.

Miles has emerged as one of the country’s most prominent coaches. His Tigers are ranked No. 1 in The Associated Press poll and will play host to No. 9 Florida in a key Southeastern Conference game on Saturday. But a large question looms across the college football landscape: Will Miles step into his mentor’s shoes as the next Michigan coach?

While Michigan has recovered from a stunning 0-2 start and the drum beat calling for Lloyd Carr’s head has grown softer, the strength of Miles’s ties to his alma mater are undeniable. He played at Ann Arbor, met his wife, Kathy, a former Michigan assistant women’s basketball coach, on campus and cut his teeth there as an assistant coach and graduate assistant. No one knows this better than L.S.U., which has a $1.25 million buyout if Miles, 53, leaves for Michigan, compared to a $500,000 buyout if he leaves for another job.

“When and if the opportunity comes up, I think Les will consider it strongly,” said John Wangler, a former Michigan quarterback and a close friend of Miles. “I don’t think there’s reason to tap dance around it. He’d have to look at it seriously.”

Miles and many people close to him insist that he is locked into the present, and that he and his family are extremely happy at L.S.U. But Miles, who is under contract through 2010, cannot deny the role Michigan played in his life.

“I can’t tell you my appreciation,” Miles said. “My wife, my first born, my entire life is marked by my time at Michigan. Yet, I’m in a wonderful place here. I’ve got a great team.”

Miles says he awakes every day at 4 a.m. thinking about L.S.U. That singular focus comes from his father, Hope, who, along with Schembechler, served as the greatest influences in Miles’s life. Hope Miles was a Navy man. Wangler described him as a gregarious Irishman whose brush haircut and 300-pound frame reminded him of a Chicago Bears lineman from the 1940s. Hope Miles always ordered the biggest steak on the menu and mixed extra horseradish in the cocktail sauce for his jumbo shrimp cocktail.

Recalling his childhood in Elyria, Ohio, Miles said that during a junior high football game his father would yell out to him the number of the opponent’s best player on kickoffs. “Duke,” he would scream, using Miles’s childhood nickname. “No. 46.”

“It didn’t make a difference what my assignment was,” Miles recalled with a laugh. “I was blocking 46.”

Hope Miles worked at a variety of blue-collar jobs, but his drive led him to eventually become vice president of a steel company. Les Miles remembers his father coming home disappointed when a marketing colleague got a promotion over him.

“These are the days that make a man,” Les Miles recalls his father telling him. “These are the days that things don’t go exactly right, that you look forward to because they mark your life.”

He paused. “I’ve fallen back on those words at times,” he said softly.

After graduating from Michigan, Les Miles worked as an agent for a trucking company. His work ethic helped him rise quickly, and he even learned to drive an 18-wheeler loaded with steel. But the tug of athletic competition pulled at him, and he met with Schembechler three times before convincing him that he would take a job that would cut his pay from $50,000 to $8,200.

Miles could not have been happier. As a graduate assistant in 1980 and 1981, Miles spent hours splicing film, combing through newspaper clippings and charting the opposition’s third-down offense.

“It was drudgery, but Les always found a way to make it fun,” said Wangler, who overlapped him as a graduate assistant. “No matter how tired you were, he could lift you up. He was a natural leader.”

Miles’s first full-time coaching job came at Colorado under Bill McCartney. Miles still keeps in close touch with him and considers McCartney a valued mentor. After five years in Boulder, Miles returned to Michigan as a full-time assistant.

Miles is also a close friend of Cam Cameron, the Miami Dolphins’ coach, dating to their time as assistants in the late 1980s. Cameron and Miles took afternoon jogs together and shared a cramped office that barely fit two desks.

“It’s fun to watch, because there’s times in the game when I feel like I’m watching Bo Schembechler,” said Cameron, who makes time to watch L.S.U. games.

Cameron summed up Miles’s value on the Michigan staff as a recruiter and talent evaluator by pointing to Corwin Brown, who played eight seasons in the N.F.L. and is now the defensive coordinator at Notre Dame. Cameron called Brown a prime example of a Miles recruit at Michigan.

“He recruited more guys at Michigan that no one heard of that went on to be great players and great people,” Cameron said.

It was around this time that Miles met his wife in an athletic department parking lot, chatting about the N.B.A. playoffs. In Kathy, with whom he has four children, Miles found someone who could match his competitiveness. She has been known to question his occasional decision to fake a punt.

“She has a coach’s mentality, too,” said Kiran Phansalkar, a family friend. “She understands a lot of the issues that go with Les’s job.”

Miles moved from Michigan in 1995 to become the offensive coordinator at Oklahoma State. He spent three years there and then another three years as the Dallas Cowboys’ tight ends coach.

When Oklahoma State was considering hiring him as its head coach in 2000, both the Cowboys’ owner, Jerry Jones, and the Hall of Fame quarterback Troy Aikman put in phone calls on Miles’s behalf, but Terry Don Phillips, then the athletic director, knew what he was getting.

“I enjoyed watching him work as an assistant,” said Phillips, now at Clemson, who hired Miles after Dirk Koetter backed out and took the Arizona State job. “He’s a tough guy and the players held him in great respect.”

The former Oklahoma State lineman Sam Mayes recalled Miles as a smashmouth coach who fearlessly took on the longtime state power Oklahoma, beating the Sooners twice in four attempts. Mayes recalled a pregame speech in which Miles broke a chair against a wall in the student union to fire up the Cowboys before one of the victories over Oklahoma. “It was one of the most memorable moments of my life,” Mayes said. “It was like someone lit the room on fire.”

Mayes said he enjoyed playing for Miles, but still had a bad taste about Miles leaving Oklahoma State for L.S.U. in 2005 to replace Nick Saban. He said Miles revered Michigan so much that he viewed it as a “golden fleece” and “got down on one knee” in reverence when he talked about it.

“He was never an Oklahoma State Cowboy, and I don’t think that he’s an L.S.U. Tiger right now,” Mayes said without being asked about Michigan. “I think he’s always going to be a Michigan man. I don’t think he’ll be content until he gets to that point.”

As this star-kissed L.S.U. season continues for Les Miles, so will the questions about Michigan.

I`m curious, did you guys want to fire Lloyd last year?

I've wanted him gone for years.

I want someone who can get more out of the talent and is willing to implement a more imaginitive/modern gameplan.

I've wanted him gone for years.

I want someone who can get more out of the talent and is willing to implement a more imaginitive/modern gameplan.
Fair enough. However, be careful what you wish for. Being able to run the ball and control the line of scrimmage is central to a good football team. gadgets, gimmicks, misdirections, etc. may work occasionally, but fundamental football is the crux.

Cameron summed up Miles’s value on the Michigan staff as a recruiter and talent evaluator by pointing to Corwin Brown, who played eight seasons in the N.F.L. and is now the defensive coordinator at Notre Dame. Cameron called Brown a prime example of a Miles recruit at Michigan.

“He recruited more guys at Michigan that no one heard of that went on to be great players and great people,” Cameron said.


I found this to be the most interesting part. The way USC and Florida own the recruiting landscape, it would be important to have a guy that was good at finding diamonds in the rough. tressel seems to be pretty good at landing less known talent and turning them into stars. I didn't know much about miles, and I found it somewhat concerning that his teams scored only 3 and 10 points in their two losses last year (despite all the offensive talent). However, i now think he would be a great choice if he is willing to leave lsu.

Micheal Keaton disease? That sounds like Spin City to me. Time to call Doc Hollywood.

I don't even like myself after that post.

Micheal Keaton disease? That sounds like Spin City to me. Time to call Doc Hollywood.

I don't even like myself after that post.

You should like yourself even less for fucking up the punch line.

Alex not Michael

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Say what?

Fuck. Alex Keaton.

Yes, I feel worse.

Fool,

I hope you don't mind that I spared your posts from being included in the new Carr thread.

Quality management decision.